to not know what is the definition of a man?

[Elendon]

I simply cannot define a man unless I bring biology into it.

Can anyone tell me what the definition of a man is?

but I do think that the man who is completely without any honor is still a man = man-child.

I was having a conversation with someone earlier, they kept bringing up brain scans have shown that there is a difference between men and women’s brains and that Trans people had similar brains of the gender they identify with.

I’ve read one of the studies they were referencing too and it seemed a bit shakey and not at all conclusive then they showed me more. I honestly don’t know how to debate with this person because I’ve seen other studies that say there aside from size there isn’t an immediate difference between the brains of men and women.

I think there is one universal truth though that at the moment the only way you can define men and women is through their chromosomes and reproductive organs.

An honourable man will admit he isn't always honourable.
A dishonourable man will never admit it.

I’d rather not share a changing room or shower with anyone, regardless of chromosome, TBH. I think society’s shifting to more individualistic methods in many ways - working from home instead of in offices, playing computer games instead of playing outside, chatting on apps instead of face to face - and the concept of shared changing rooms and showers will seem archaic soon.

They haven't proven there is a difference in brains, they have recognised SOME brain activity types and formations 'tend' towards females whilst others 'tend' towards male, but as yet, there is no way to make a categorical determination if a brain is male or female.

We can also say 'we know that taller skeletons tend to be male' but it doesn't guarantee it's male.

AFAIK there’s absolutely no basis on female/male brains being different.

Well, if it does not excite you, Elendon, please feel free not to post there. :)

I will leave this thread then. It seems clear and concise what is happening. Hope it still stands though.

Keep on trucking! passive aggressive

@TheBrilliantMistake

You see that’s what I got from reading both sides of the studies but the other person is just better at debating than me that I just backed down and began to doubt my argument.

Obviously men hate it when they have to be defined. They then resort to nefarious tactics. Trust me on this.

I was talking about my own thread. Feel free not to post there. Actually I do not care where you post and where you don‘t post. Feel free to post or not post wherever you want. But you don‘t have to leave. I will leave this thread if you ask me to, but why no do it the honest and direct way?

However I am beginning to think you might be trolling us.

Elendon I really don’t see what your problem is - do you disagree with some of the points being made? They all relate back to your question and are relevant in context.

More passive aggressive

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Does any person like to be 'defined' purely on their sex or gender?
We are individuals and I dislike it when someone makes assumption about me just because I am a man, and I would imagine lots of women feel the same way.

There's a heck of a lot more to us as individuals than simply being a 'man' or a 'woman'

“There's a heck of a lot more to us as individuals than simply being a 'man' or a 'woman'”

Of corse there is. But being a woman is fundamental to who I am. I am lots of other things too, but I have a shared history with other women going back to time immemorial. And I want my daughter to have that shAred history too.

OP, do you have xx chromosomes?

Elendon, as HRH said, you’re not chairing this thread, that’s not how it works. You don’t get to be the arbiter, the mods do, but I haven’t seen them step in over people going off topic - if you feel they should, though, ask them to step in, but don’t chastise us for chatting. As far as I’m aware, Roberts rules do not apply here.

It’s to do with if your shirt does up left over right or right over left.

FWIW I started a similar thread asking how I could dress as a man given that no wearing make up, having short hair, wearing jeans, shirt and trainers is something that lots of women do anyway.
It was deleted.

Is this about Duolingo? Because I had to just translate 'when Is a man, a man' and I have to say it isn't a phrase I plan to drop into light conversations on holiday.

Bertrand, many apologies for assuming your were male! Not sure how I came to that conclusion, I just visualised you as male for some reason.

As for the shared history, of course, but doesn't your daughter get that anyway, regardless of you wanting her to or not? Kinda comes for free doesn't it? But we also have a lot of shared histories beyond just the biological sex. I don't know if (for instance) an African black woman believes she has more shared history with an African black male, or a white Icelandic woman. Probably a mix of both, but which history is the more 'common' between them? (I don't have an answer, obviously, it's just me thinking out aloud)

As for me, I'm undoubtably shaped by the histories of other men, so where I am at now is in some parts defined by what other men before me did. I'm over here, you're over there as a result of evolution and histories of men and women, but if they diverged once, maybe they can converge again if more men and women reach take steps to bridge the gap, or at least work together better with the gap between them.

I personally wouldn't want an androgynous human race. Brings to mind a song I know:

For you and me - Sex is not a competition
For you and me - Sex is not a job description
For you and me - Sex is not a definition
For you and me - We agree

(Might just be me having a moment of melancholy masculinity!)

How about a person who from birth (or even before birth) is expected to be the strongest, most intelligent, least emotional and weak, top dog, and is raised knowing that society expects that of him and will always put him first. Raised to have very strong self belief and knowing that the other sex category will always put him first as he is better than them.

Someone who says "Trust me."
Someone who says "I'll be the arbiter, not you"
Someone who tells women what they are allowed to think and talk about.

No, actually, that's not the definition of a man, it's the definition of an inflated ego.
Sometimes the two go together, not always.

A man is an adult with a y chromasome.

Simon your thread got deleted? Why?

I feel like this one’s lasted longer (and had full agreement) because it’s about the definition of men, not women...

I think my quick check would be: Place an item in the middle of the dining room table with a few other stuff around.
Ask person to fetch said item from middle of the table.

A man will reply with "It's not there" and remain there dithering.
A woman will find it and ask where you want it and put it there.