to not know what is the definition of a man?

[Elendon]

I simply cannot define a man unless I bring biology into it.

Can anyone tell me what the definition of a man is?

Apologies. You are right!

But I wasn't being critical of the poster.

What is a man to you, OP?

I don't know other than biology and my view of what masculinity is through years of social conditioning.

I prefer men with no chest hair though and those who are slim. Height not an issue - don't really like tall men (above six feet) because they think their voice is more important than others - there have been exceptions to this.

An adult male human.

An adult human with at least one y chromosome ( so covers xyy, xxy etc).

Definition of a man and definition of an attractive partner are very different things!

I always find it interesting to watch pseudo-scientific dating shows where they make people sniff prospective partners’ sweaty gym clothes and rate them. There’s a lot we don’t understand about genes, pheromones and attraction, I think.

XY and born with a penis.

Anything else is irrelevant. You are male.

So there’s no-one on here that agrees with self-identification?

Sorry to go off track, but can I just point out that “Native American” cultures are not a monolithic thing. If you’re just talking about the US (leaving out Canada and any Latin American countries) it’s still a huge land mass with a ton of different languages, cultural behaviours, diets, dwellings etc.

Not sure how the Indigenous where I live would have handled it, but it would not have been a replica of how people handled it in Arizona, New York, Ontario, Nova Scotia. It’d be like Indigenous people assuming Greeks and the Dutch handled things the same way.

As to men, I’m going with biology. I think people whose dysphoria is at the point they need surgery is a very small number and the rest are just pigeonholing themselves into a binary view of what gender can be.

You are right of course... but I just do not remember anymore which tribe it was. I am not so knowledgeable about the Native American cultures, but temper this fact because I thought it was interesting.

... but I remember this fact. So sorry. Shitty autocorrect.

Do you agree with self identification *HRHRoyalGala? Personally, I wouldn't pass as a male but I may give it a go.

Self identification negates trans though and that makes me sad because I do believe in trans rights for those who have a Gender Recognition Certificate and those who have gone through surgery to achieve bodily harmony - though it doesn't always work.

I"m so encouraged to see that people dont agree with self-ID

Adult male human. Y chromosome. Penis.

Adult male horse - stallion.
Adult male cattle - bull
Adult male human - man

So there’s no-one on here that agrees with self-identification?
I don't. I feel a bit sorry for them though.

I don’t really believe in it, no. I believe gender dysphoria is a mental health issue. I believe that people should be allowed to dress and present however they want without prejudice. I think children should be encouraged to express themselves outside of gender stereotypes, and adults too. If someone asked me to use different pronouns or a different name, I’d make every effort to remember, to be polite.

I don’t think you can truly change sex, just like I don’t think you can change race or species.

I think there are men who believe they have female characteristics eg feminine gait, high pitched voice, an interest in make up and what is considered to be feminine garments of clothing, mainly for the texture and feelings of preferring to live as a woman. These are described as effeminate and are generally accepted within society. Most

These things do not make a man

Sorry - hit send by mistake...

Most men accept that they are effeminate and live happily in their own skins.

Wearing female clothing and accessories does not make a man a woman.

I know you can't change sex, and by the same conviction nor can you change race. You cannot either be a bird, insect, reptile or a fish if you were born a human - having 'webbed feet' doesn't make you a duck or a swan.

Do you think it is possible to be transracial like Rachel Dolezal claimed to be? Personally I am not sure.

No probs confused. I’d also add that regarding some cultural practices, depending where in the Americas you are, contact has muddied the practices and because they rely on an oral tradition I don’t think they can know with certainty how they did xyz. Some Indigenous people romanticize their past - not to the extent Germans do (just watched a very weird documentary about this), but some do. People will deny slavery existed between bands, that there was ever child abuse pre-contact etc. I understand why it happens, but history is a tricky thing and none of us are neutral reporters in our own past.

Off topic: Germans do idealize their past? Why do you think so?

One of my best friends in primary school was a very effeminate boy and was often teased because he liked to play with us - we supported him fully. Think a young boy version of Davy Jones. Adored him because it gave us girls agency in the play ground. He loved skipping and french skipping - we were the masters at it and readily taught him. He also loved acting and dancing and he was good at it and we in turn learn't much.

He's married with three, now adult, children.

My oldest son enjoys dancing and wants to be a dancer when he grows up... and he is very much of a tomboy. He just loves dancing. Why not?