To think Corbyn's maths is wrong again

[Rebeccaslicker]

www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/01/28/jeremy-corbyn-announces-labour-will-buy-every-homeless-person/amp/

How is this going to work? Does he mean "give" as in legally transfer or does he mean no rent? How does he think the houses are going to be maintained and utility bills paid? Is it fair on people who've been on waiting lists? Is it really going to reduce the numbers of homeless people if it becomes seen as a quick way to skip the queue?

I got back to my car in an NCP the other night, to find 5 homeless people right next to it with foil and needles. They were also going through some wallets (which may well have been their own; I didn't stop to check of course). The state of them was very sad and although I did feel intimidated at first, I also didn't report them because I thought, where else would they go - it's chucking it down. But then again, no way would they be able to look after a house. They were like zombies.

He's absolutely right to want to do something about the homeless situation. There should be more lots more help. But I don't think this is the answer. AIBU?

If you're proposing a tax rise that's going to cost (hypothetical) me the holiday or car or extension or third child whatever it might be that I'd been working for, am I going to care that other people might be paying a higher proportion so I should suck it up and accept the drop in living standards?

Is it really realistic to expect people to feel that way?!

@Believeitornot

Sorry Rebecca but you make no sense.......

That's coz she is making it all up, and forgetting what she has been saying.

Here is Rebecca when she is on the 30th lie of the week, and has to go back to the 15th one, as it's relevant to the 30th one... 😂😂😂

Yes - do they overcome the fact that the person on £100,000 is paying more than double the proportion of their gross earnings in income tax than the one on £20,000? I doubt it. By the way, the tax rate on the £20,000 earner is so low in large part due to the Conservatives massively raising the income tax threshold. You're welcome

Just for fun, let's try an earner on £1,000,000 a year:

£459,323 in tax, which is 45.9% of gross income.

But yeah, VAT or something, right (which the rich suddenly don't have to pay? Oh wait, they pay massive amounts of VAT!)?

Seriously, you would have to be earning a quarter million a YEAR to be paying six figures in tax. Load of bollocks.

The very few people in the country who earn that would be high flying professionals, big business people, and famous people. And certainly not someone who spends all day spouting drivel on mumsnet.

Pet bear - you're precious, bless your little heart. You really are naive. It's not just income. It's things like:

Share portfolios
Rental properties
Inheritances
Royalties

Try googling and maybe you won't look like quite such a little drone

Here you go. One simply worded example of what top lawyers in magic circle firms earn. Pssssst - it's a lot more than £250k...

www.legalcheek.com/2015/12/top-linklaters-lawyer-takes-home-3-2-million-a-year-72-time-more-than-a-trainee/

Now do the same for insurance.

And actuaries.

And bankers.

Off you pop, have fun!

Well I see where all the bailout money has gone now.

I wouldn't worry make, only celebrities could possibly earn anything like that, so those guys are just making it all up 😂

Keep up the good work @rebeccaslicker, your tall stories are very entertaining. 😂😂😂

I am a cousin of the queen you know, and I have borrowed her crown for the week.. don't I look pretty?

No-one said 'only celebrities make that much money.'

Jeeeeeeez, your bullshit and flanel is never ending @rebeccaslicker

What I don't get is why someone would go to so much effort to make up so much shit to try and impress people they don't even know, and who don't know them.

Must have a lot of time on your hands @rebeccaslicker

As I said, it makes for hilarious and entertaining reading though. Keep up the good work; you're funny.

Petbear - I remember your bitter comments about people who've received inheritances after losing close relatives being "lucky" on another thread. A nasty way to think about people in different and sad circumstances, as many on that thread pointed out to you.

If you're really too dense and naive to get out of your bitter little bubble to realise that there's more than just salaried income on which people get taxed, or that whilst they might be a small percentage of the population, there are still thousands of people earning £250k and over, you go for it. You deny those unicorns are real. Just don't be surprised when people laugh at you. As I am 😂

The vast majority of drug addicts and alcoholics live in their own homes, many hold down jobs. I know someone who has a major cocaine addiction who is a head teacher at an outstanding in all areas teaching academy primary school.

People with addictions and mental health issues are more vulnerable to homelessness but no less capable of maintaining a home.

Being homeless may mean your addictions or mental health get out of control for a period but given stability can be bought to a more manageable level.

The homes required to do what Cornyn wants exist and are currently sitting empty. Admittedly many people will need support to help become stable again but most homeless people have held down tenancies and jobs before and can do so again.

The obvious answer is: of course they fucking do

Just do a bit of reading on regressive taxation.

I’m really enjoying this thread Rebecca. Thank you for starting it. You’re handling a the challenges with great dignity.

Rebecca can talk about her privilege all she wants - she's earned her money.

But when JC and his bunch of imbeciles talk about taxing the rich, it's not just Philip Green etal, or Rebecca - it's YOU .

Anyone who works and pays tax, or has assets or income will face a huge tax rise to pay for all these pipe dreams.

Stop thinking it's THEM and start realising it is YOU too, you fool. The super rich will move their money around, you won't as you don't have enough to interest the accountants. You will be the one who will be worse off ffsl!

Mummy - we should send it to JC, or maybe Make can do that for us!

Life - thanks (as I hinted at hugely above, I did inherit a lot of it, but there's no point derailing the thread into personal circumstances. It actually doesn't matter in the least if I'm making it up or exaggerating or even playing it down - what matters is that there are people in that position, and JC and his merry gang just assume they'll take unlimited increases lying down.

And yes - that's exactly what I'm trying to say. Those are the very people it will hit. If it were a fixed increase, or if we could have a guarantee it would work, I reckon far fewer of those people would mind. JC gives absolutely zero assurance on either score!

Exactly. The Left think it's the people ABOVE them who will be taxed, but forget they are above someone else so to some people they are the rich - even on £20-25K they will be taxed as 'rich'. Fools.

Anyway, please to hear this morning that JC maybe popular wiv da yuff but they cba'd to turn and vote for him. The myth of the 2017 'youthquake' election

I this this is the old chestnut that the poorest households pay more in VAT as a percentage of their disposable income than the richest fifth

What are you on about. The innumerate left? it is fact. The poorer section of the population pay more in tax full stop as a proportion of income. Taking all tax into account. Which all goes to HMT.

They’re also hit harder because their bosses like to push their wages down because it means more money for them. Then they stick it to them by claiming they’re wasting money on big TVs, no wonder they can afford a house. Then they have them blaming while they laugh all the way to the bank, because they’ve spun a story about being only on £120k a year and can’t possible afford a reduction in income as it’s only £800 a week.

At the end of the day there are people, children, sat in shitty housing, with no hope. None.

Jeremy Corbyn is the only one who’s bothering to try and make suggestions to try and imrpve things.

We have Theresa May on the other side saying that these children should be fucking grateful for being in skanky b&bs and not on the streets. How aspirational of her. How’s aspirational.

The “right” waste time throwing insults around to distract from the fact that they’ve had 8 years to fix homelessness. They could have done it with by allowing councils to build.

But they won’t. Because they cannot stomach the idea of poor people getting cheaper housing when it is their broken economic model which got us here.

And again, I repeat, give me your solutions OP.

Are you listening? Corbyn has only made half the plan. He needs to make the other half and commit to raising the taxes to pay for it.

Believeitornot

What are you on about. The innumerate left? it is fact. The poorer section of the population pay more in tax full stop as a proportion of income. Taking all tax into account.

A fact you seem unable to prove. Go on then - show me how the earner on £20,000 is paying a higher proportion of their income in tax than the £100,000 earner. You won't be able to, because it's bullshit.

have a read - I said of all taxes

Only the bottom 10% buck the trend: they pay about 47% of their income in tax

I am talking about income tax only. As I said earlier.

The “right” waste time throwing insults around

Well the 'left' never do that now do they.