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To think Ann Widdecombe is truly vile

233 replies

BlueSkiesAndWhiteCliffs · 27/01/2018 23:00

Celeb Big Brother.

Anyone else saying the things she has said would have had people screaming at them.

She doesn't think women should work if they have children.

She doesn't agree with gay marriage.

She thinks being gay is disgusting.

She is so backwards in her thinking, she is truly horrible.

Now whilst I don't agree with the language that Andrew used about her, I agree with his sentiment and I can't believe everyone is pussy footing around her!

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springtulip · 28/01/2018 22:41

What she did today while Shane was explaining having Wayne in the house meant a lot to him as a fellow gay man (and he was explaining it will) and she sat there huffing and puffing and rolling her eyes was horrible. That's not just disagreeing with gay marriage, it's making anyone mentioning their sexuality feel awful
She was probably rolling her eyes because she's bloody bored of hearing it all. Why does he need to go on about his sexuality all the time. Nobody else does. It's boring. I'm glad Amanda put him in his place.

BeyondWitchbitchterf · 28/01/2018 22:42

Eltonjohn, being Buddhist I'm sure Shane is an expert in appropriating middle eastern religions...

Eltonjohnssyrup · 28/01/2018 22:50

Is Shane a fucking Buddhist? That's even worse!

I swear to God, tonight he was saying 'meditation was nothing to do with religion'.

If he claims to be a buddhists that's fucking dire.

Eltonjohnssyrup · 28/01/2018 22:53

I did like what Amanda was saying about 'not having to put labels on people all the time'. I think that's half the problem with the world today. Everybody has to be put in their little box. You have to be a 'cis hereronormative democrat white woman' rather than Jane who likes biscuits, Abba and walking her spaniels.

OnTheList · 28/01/2018 22:56

Shane was horrendous tonight. Trying to turn the whole house against her. Glad they weren't playing his ridiculous games.

Shane and Ann has already had a mature conversation about her voting record, where Shane said that he disagreed wth her views but she was entitled to have them. Whats changed eh?

Disgraceful behaviour on his part, specifically trying to get Wayne to attack her randomly.

GlitterNails · 28/01/2018 22:58

springtulip - He was asked to compliment Wayne, and he was saying he appreciated having him in the house. I'm sure Ann repeats herself too on various topics and no one rolls their eyes while she speaks. She cuts across anyone who tries to engage her in a topic as well.

KERALA1 · 28/01/2018 22:59

She's not a harmless old dear or actress. She's a politician with power. Didn't she insist on shackling female prisoners in labour?

EmpireVille · 28/01/2018 23:16

I'm pretty sure the handcuffed pregnant prisoner was a huge flight risk. Didn't the woman in question try to escape during more than one hospital visit?

Eltonjohnssyrup · 28/01/2018 23:28

She's an ex politician with no power.

DreamyMcDreamy · 28/01/2018 23:30

I think that's half the problem with the world today. Everybody has to be put in their little box. You have to be a 'cis hereronormative democrat white woman' rather than Jane who likes biscuits, Abba and walking her spaniels

Amen to that, I love this thread as it's got fucking (I rarely swear) SENSE on it!
Usually I'm a lone voice being called a TERF or an MRA or a handmaiden,or a man, or told to fk off just because I dare to speak an alternative view.
Get lost with your boxes and your labelling, and your only one way is the right way to think.
That way lies madness and trouble.

springtulip · 28/01/2018 23:35

He's only started appreciating having him in the house since whats his name went. He had no time for him before. She rolled her eyes probably because she thought the same and that he was trying to make it all about him, as usual. Bit rude of her i suppose, but not half as bad as him trying to turn the whole house against her as he did tonight.

bridgetoc · 28/01/2018 23:44

YABVU..... Firstly for even watching big brother, and secondly for describing someone as vile just because they hold different views to yourself. Grow up........

MrsMaxwell · 28/01/2018 23:51

I love AW and am a labour voter through and through.

Not watching CBB.

She should have been leader of the Tories.

Eltonjohnssyrup · 28/01/2018 23:52

Didn't she insist on shackling female prisoners in labour?

No, Anne Widdecombe did not personally insist on this. It was the policy of the government she was part of. It wasn't females in labour (in fact they were specifically excluded from shackling) it was prisoners attending hospitals.

As she was minister of state for prisons she was called on to defend the policy, but it wasn't her personal policy in any particular way.

And it was the mid 90s. Pre human rights act and pre new Labour. It wasn't a particularly controversial view to hold at the time.

The big scandal was that an undercover documentary uncovered the case of 'Annette' an inmate in Holloway who was taken to hospital and shackled to her bed on the ward and then in the canteen shackled to an officer in full view of others. It turned out she was a particular flight risk. And it was dealt with by putting prisoners in private rooms and supervising them there rather than in view.

WitchesHatRim · 29/01/2018 05:02

She's a politician with power

Not unless we have gone back in time she isn't and has been for 8 years.

KERALA1 · 29/01/2018 06:23

Fgs I know she's not in power now but she was and her views haven't changed have they?

RonaldMcDonald · 29/01/2018 06:36

And?

First of all no one knew that you knew she was no longer a politician from your post
Secondly, so what if her views haven't changed.

If not good luck to her. I am becoming increasingly less tolerant as I age

thecatfromjapan · 29/01/2018 07:05

She's always had those views. The point about that is that there are people on this thread suggesting it's her age that has led to her having those views. That's kind of condescending towards those of us who are around her age and don't have those views and/or never had.

One of the things that ousted the Tory/Major governments was that their social agenda was increasingly perceived as being out of kilter with the majority opinion on social issues in the UK. That's why they ended up going for David Cameron: he was the figurehead of Conservatives with right wing economic views but progressive social views. As we know, that division within the Party (authoritarian versus liberal social views) was one that ran deep, both within the country and within the Party.

There was an enormous kickback against the illiberal social views of the Conservative Party in the 80s. Lots of extra-governmental political pressure groups protesting against legislation that seemed to legally enforce views such as those of AW, that were popular (very popular) with a good swathe of the UK (and particularly amongst older Conservative voters and Party members, and some Labour voters, tbh) but increasingly perceived as being deeply unpopular with metropolitans and younger voters.

There was also a lot of dissent within the Conservative Party about that particular direction of travel. Remember, Portillo 'came out' as bisexual prior to his leadership bid. It both served as damage limitation and as a signal to more progressive elements that there would be a change of direction in the area of social legislation.

I'm going on about this at length because there seems to be an enormous aporia where there should be knowledge about really recent history. It worries me. You really can't talk about twenty years ago as some kind of semi-Victorian period, where people, en masse, held extraordinarily old-fashioned views on gay sexuality.

In fact, the situation was far more conflicted. It was more the case that, socially the UK was becoming far more liberal, progressive and tolerant - particularly in metropolitan areas, and this produced a certain retrenchment amongst elements of society that felt threatened by this - and, indeed, it may well have been that anger against changing social mores became a signifier for certain groups of a whole range of social and economic changes that they felt 'left them behind'.

The Conservatives tended to direct their legislation to appeal to this 'left behind' group, which worked for quite a long time but - ultimately - was a significant factor in their subsequent loss of power. I'd say that they jumped the shark completely when they targeted single mothers (along with gay people, people on benefits, etc.).

AW is a complex figure from this period. In some ways, she seems emblematic - her views are extremely socially conservative and mirror a lot of the legislation the Conservatives brought in. I strongly suspect she is the model for Dolores Umbridge in the Harry Potter series (conservative views; an extraordinary performance of the signifiers of a hyper/reactionary femininity allied to authoritarian impulses). In other ways, she is clearly an individual, whose choices are propelled by deep, personal issues.

On the whole, she's far enough away from real power now for me to find her somewhat tragic and also very interesting as a case-study.

On the other hand, it's very interesting to see that those issues, of which she was a part whilst in government (the divide between the socially progressive metropolitans and the socially conservative/authoritairan 'left-behinds') have continued to be a major issue in both the Conservative Party and the UK.

Eltonjohnssyrup · 29/01/2018 08:15

Fgs I know she's not in power now but she was and her views haven't changed have they?

She's a politician with power

Funny that, I was always of the impression that 'she's' indicated the present tense.

KERALA1 · 29/01/2018 08:20

I shall leave you all tout slightly taken aback by the anne widdecombe love in - don't watch big brother but my memory is short enough to remember anne widdecombe in power. My views on her won't change.

Great post cat.

BeyondWitchbitchterf · 29/01/2018 09:09

Well I guess "she's" could theoretically be a contraction for "she was". But I don't think that's an official oed contraction Grin

derxa · 29/01/2018 14:40

It always strikes me as very strange that some who espouse to be Liberal are the most intolerant of any views that are not in line with theirs. Yes. Ann doesn't do group think.

needthisthread · 02/03/2019 23:56

How awfully random to post a year old article on a 14 month old thread Confused

Nachosnotnazis · 04/03/2019 14:49

Random but true. She's disgusting.