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To think Ann Widdecombe is truly vile

233 replies

BlueSkiesAndWhiteCliffs · 27/01/2018 23:00

Celeb Big Brother.

Anyone else saying the things she has said would have had people screaming at them.

She doesn't think women should work if they have children.

She doesn't agree with gay marriage.

She thinks being gay is disgusting.

She is so backwards in her thinking, she is truly horrible.

Now whilst I don't agree with the language that Andrew used about her, I agree with his sentiment and I can't believe everyone is pussy footing around her!

OP posts:
Seniorcitizen1 · 28/01/2018 17:36

She is a Tory so by default she is vile

formerbabe · 28/01/2018 17:39

She is a Tory so by default she is vile

Oh the irony.

lurkeyishere · 28/01/2018 17:59

Ann and Shane j had a conversation way back in the first week he asked her about stuff she had said about homosexuality and gay rights in the past he had obviously done his homework on her. At the end of the conversation he accepted they where her beliefs and she accepted his where different it was a really interesting conversation they didn't raise their voices and he even said in the diary room her beliefs had no impact on how she treated him as a person she has always been polite to him and not treated him any different for being gay.
Ann has her views and she owns them she doesn't back down or have her mind changed she is a strong woman confident in what she says she doesn't chat shit yo cover up what she has said to make her loom better that's an admirable quality.
I still don't want her to win I'd love Shane j to win only cause he was robbed on ru Paul's drag race lol I find him very interesting aswell I think he presents his views really well without being in your face and insisting everyone agrees with him

OnTheList · 28/01/2018 18:02

It always strikes me as very strange that some who espouse to be Liberal are the most intolerant of any views that are not in line with theirs
Indeed.

StepAwayFromGoogle · 28/01/2018 18:07

She also went on about how women should be pleased men wolf whistle them in the street. That it's a compliment and all these modern women saying it's harassment should be grateful because no-one wolf whistles her anymore. That was on top of women apparently 'overreacting' the minute a man pats their bottom. Yes, we should all just put up with unwanted harassment and touching. What a tool. I think she's abhorrent too, OP. I missed her saying women should stay at home when they have children but, seriously, what on earth has it got to do with her how other people bring up their children?

DreamyMcDreamy · 28/01/2018 18:14

It always strikes me as very strange that some who espouse to be Liberal are the most intolerant of any views that are not in line with theirs

Completely agree with this. So true, and a little bit chilling.

RonaldMcDonald · 28/01/2018 18:15

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Are you stating that Ann Widdecombe is a member of Opus Dei? Based on what?
Are you also suggesting her discomfort with displays of intimacy have to do with her closeted sexuality?

If so this sounds like breathtaking nonsense.
It is in my opinion grim to behave in this way toward someone

Thierryhenryneedisaymore · 28/01/2018 18:17

Dreamy and Ronald

Couldn't agree more with both your posts

EnriqueTheRingBearingLizard · 28/01/2018 18:25

From Ronald McDonald
The other thing I like about Anne is that she knows how to argue a point responsibly
She speaks about the thing in question - speaks about what she believes she knows and then gives her views on it. This is timebound and focussed on that one point at hand
Many people could learn from that.

It doesn't become 'oh but what about' - she doesn't conflate points together to try to make a picture that isn't there or to win at any costs
She doesn't seem motivated by beating people in argument but rather by discourse - sharing thoughts and leaving the bits where there is disagreement on the table. She understands that people can have wildly differing views but still respect or care for each other
She enters the next conversation fresh and without judgement.

I think she is a great example of someone able to not personalise everything. Possibly a great example of a woman or learning and faith
I have only seen her return to things to apologise for mistakes,

Btw - many of the views she holds are the absolute opposite of mine but I respect the way she is behaving.

Starting with the final paragraph, I wholeheartedly agree, which is why I've quoted so much for ease of reading.

I think Ann is somewhat unusual socially and gets a lot of flack as an older, single woman with a puritanical and religious conviction. She doesn't bend with the wind of public opinion, speaking out, when asked, on what she believes. That's never been a popular position, neither is being possibly asexual. Why that shouldn't be a valid option in an apparently liberal society where anything goes, is very sad.

I only knew of her political persuasion, her religious conversion to the Catholic Church and her opinions on abortion, fox hunting and the Iraq War. Beyond that I didn't know many specifics but since she's appeared on Big Brother I've looked up various things including the Parliamentary recording of the shackled prisoners question, which is
here

I think her positions on war and capital punishment come from believing more people would be safe than would be harmed. Working mothers shouldn't be under pressure to work if they and their children would benefit from their being able to stay at home. Wolf whistling? choose your battles for the more sinister stuff.

It's very easy to fall into the trap of repeating things that don't actually stack up if you look into what was actually said.

I think her beliefs and decisions come from a good place, that she always tries to do what she thinks is for the greater good. Her ideal would be a world of happy, modest and law abiding nuclear famies who were all self supporting and she would work towards that aim, but I don't think she dislikes or excludes people who don't comform to that.

On a personal level she seems kind and not malicious. The fact that her reasoning is sometimes flawed, based on religious principles that others disagree with, or out of step with society's current majority, is very unfortunate, but not as unfortunate as this thread title.

areyoubeingserviced · 28/01/2018 18:38

One thing I will say about her presence in the house, is that she has made some of the younger housemates think about how their behaviour may affect others.
I found Jess’ interaction with her to be of interest. If Ann wasn’t in the house, Jess would have probably reverted to her EX On The Beach Persona: all breast and backside.
In the Year Of The woman, it is important to show that women are not merely sex objects and that individuals should behave with class and decorum.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 28/01/2018 18:40

She is a Tory so by default she is vile

Most childish and pathetic comment goes to..... ^

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PigletWasPoohsFriend · 28/01/2018 19:13

Piglet - have you been asleep for past 7+ years? Have you not seen the things that the Tories have inflicted on the poor the disabled the ill our children at school

Nope and as someone who is severely disabled I'm fully aware of what they have done.

I don't however far everyone with the same brush.

I find Corbyn and his allies abhorrent. I don't however believe every Labour person is the same.

I engage my brain and don't throw childish comments about.

BeyondWitchbitchterf · 28/01/2018 19:14

Ann retired in 2010, so she isn't really to blame for decisions since then, no matter how Extreme Tory she'd been in the past.

And I'm disabled - I have a horse in the Tory-hating race!

springtulip · 28/01/2018 20:13

Yep, 40 here and really can't get worked up over wolf whistles.
A quick eye roll and forget about it
Yes like i said, a different generation. It really wasn't a big deal back in the 60s. A different world.

DreamyMcDreamy · 28/01/2018 20:40

Yes like i said, a different generation. It really wasn't a big deal back in the 60s. A different world

Or even more recently as the 80s and possibly even the early 90s.
Wasn't a big deal.

DreamyMcDreamy · 28/01/2018 20:41

Yes like i said, a different generation. It really wasn't a big deal back in the 60s. A different world

At 40 you grew up in the 80s and the early 90s. It really wasn't a big deal and not long ago.

GlitterNails · 28/01/2018 20:53

Of course she is allowed to state her views, but people are allowed to disagree with her and find her views vile as well. She doesn't allow anyone to disagree with her, and her attitude is the epitome of 'I'm alright jack, so screw everyone else.'

I think Shane handles her very well, trying to politely disagree with her. I don't agree with Andrew calling her what he did.

What she did today while Shane was explaining having Wayne in the house meant a lot to him as a fellow gay man (and he was explaining it will) and she sat there huffing and puffing and rolling her eyes was horrible. That's not just disagreeing with gay marriage, it's making anyone mentioning their sexuality feel awful.

Eltonjohnssyrup · 28/01/2018 21:05

Well exactly Glitter, that's the whole point isn't it? We should be able to respectfully disagree with those who don't agree with us. I know I am sometimes guilty of not doing so.

But in general, at the moment there seems to be a particular school of thought which is publicly dominant (I don't believe it is in private) and it's very prescriptive. People who adhere to it have a set of strictly adhered to principles that are almost completely adhered to by them. And they are mainly white and middle class.

And should anybody express an opinion which goes against that grain they immediately and aggressively attack and demand censorship and social penalties against the speaker rather than debating the point with them. Often I suspect that is because they know that in debate their position won't hold up to much scrutiny.

An interesting one is the trans debate, because a lot of women who were previously very much within that 'set' of people and held the 'correct' views have suddenly discovered what it's like to be on the wrong side of them.

RonaldMcDonald · 28/01/2018 21:34

I'm bored to death with the constant rehearsal or roles and lines. It must be a million times worse in there and it is all so earnest or faux earnest for votes.
Listening to Shane say how important it was to him as a gay man having Wayne there seemed like tosh
He had spent his entire time hanging out with straight lads until they were voted out. Then we needed to hear his need to have a gay ally in the house...yeah sure
That might be a reality for him but we have heard all the other ways having friendships are important to him ...as a gay man.
Maybe she's bored with the narrative and as a woman wonders how necessary and narcissistic it all seems at times

Eltonjohnssyrup · 28/01/2018 21:47

Interestingly enough Shane J is now having a hissy fit because he is cross Anne has said that she won't take part in meditation or yoga for religious reasons. Because according to him 'they're not based in religion' Confused

Very interesting. Another person who demands his own principles are respected but has no respect for those of others and is incredibly ignorant.

picklemepopcorn · 28/01/2018 22:21

Shane was going on and on about having a fellow gay man in the house. It was tedious. Everyone's completely tolerant, No one has been criticising him, he doesn't need the back up. I'd have rolled my eyes too.

Eltonjohnssyrup · 28/01/2018 22:35

Pickle, I thought it was interesting that despite all Shane's protesting Anne is clearly much more tolerant than him.

She has views on gay marriage and religion. Despite that she has a close friendship with Amanda who is a gay married woman. People might not live their lives according to her opinions. But Anne seems to be able to see that doesn't make them a bad person or someone to be shunned.

Shane on the other hand is one of these people who thinks that unless people completely buy into his views and opinions and 'celebrate' them they deserve to be shunned and reviled.

And Anne doesn't seem to be forcing her opinions on others or preaching whereas Shane is. He's making it 'us and them'.

I felt extremely embarrassed for him when he was claiming meditation and yoga where nothing to do with religion too. At least Anne knows she has the knowledge to back up what she's saying.

BeyondWitchbitchterf · 28/01/2018 22:41

Id roll my eyes at Shane turning a compliment for Wayne into a monologue about himself too.

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