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AIBU? I want to be Japanese.

117 replies

MissionItsPossible · 23/01/2018 08:23

www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/former-air-hostess-martina-big-11895174

You can change gender, change your hair type and change race!

I identify as Japanese because "I can't wait to go to Japan because I hear the food is tasty".

Actually, if I'm thinking about this, I want to be identified as a cat. I like the idea of sleeping, getting fed and scratching people when they fuck me off.

Seriously though, WTAF?

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PeacefulBlessing · 23/01/2018 18:56

I was actually thinking about the £10 off for the Labour event. I wondered what they would do if my DD turned up and said "I'm black" because she doesn't look black

Ahhh... makes perfect sense now!! Grin

Well, yes, quite because, to them, she could just be saying it. How would she prove it?

Chocolatesprinkledcrumpet · 23/01/2018 18:59

Would it be very unreasonable to respond to "I identify with..." with "Good for you, but I identify you as DELUSIONAL?"

This isn't directed at anyone personally, I just feel like things are going slightly mental with this.

grannytomine · 23/01/2018 20:03

PeacefulBlessing, so sorry for confusing people. Just spoke to relative and they sound amazingly well considering what they have been through. I will try to actually post what I'm thinking in future.

nooka · 23/01/2018 21:35

That video is excellent, it really shows how very very confused people are when they are not able to look at the evidence in front of their eyes and say what they see. Of course none of the students in that video really saw the 'short Swedish girl' as a 'two meters tall male Japanese' and yet they all seemed to think that they should, that someone's sense of identity was so important everyone else should validate it.

Sex, ethnicity, age, species what's the difference? It's all deception. No one should feel forced to go along with someone else's story and neither say nor even think that there is something wrong.

The only caveat I have to this comes from hearing an account from a transwoman posting here recently who she said that they had been told that in order to 'live as a woman' she must make up a backstory to fit with their new appearance and hide their past as a man. This is about as far from 'breaking the binary gender' as you can possibly get. We should be encouraging people to recognise where they have come from, the 'true authentic self' cannot be so if it is a lie.

KillDora · 23/01/2018 21:39

It's interesting that a white woman identifying as black is seen as offensive.

But that a man can identify as woman, no questions asked, no problem.

Both are protected characteristics, why is it ok for more powerful people to imitate one and not the other?

I think a white woman would have a closer understanding of how to be me than a man would.

FurCoatFurKnickers · 23/01/2018 22:13

^The madness will abate around about the time the first legal action is launched by someone who 'identified as trans' as a child (in much the same way Peaceful identified as cat) and was promptly put on hormonal medication which prevented puberty, way before the age of consent and way before the age where people grow out of perfectly normal developmental stages of wishing they were cats/women/wizards/boys/wolves whatever (it was wolves for me).*

@Fizzy I think that time will come sooner rather than later. What the hell this woman thought she was doing transitioning her 12 year old god only knows. I hope he and other children who have been put through this sue the fuck out of their parents.

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/12-year-old-boy-trans-female-change-mind-years-later-patrick-mitchell-australia-oestrogen-hormones-a7933741.html

MiddleClassProblem · 23/01/2018 22:15

I do think it is important to remember that it’s a two way thing with transgender. There are born sexed as female that identify as male and change too. It does seem very much like that debate focuses on it the other way around when there are plenty the other way too.

leiaorganashair · 23/01/2018 23:13

Yep, it's a two way street. The other side is the trans men who insist on having babies and having all pregnant women referred to as "pregnant people" to accommodate them Confused

www.google.co.uk/amp/www.newsweek.com/transgender-man-birth-first-child-748917%3famp=1

MissionItsPossible · 24/01/2018 01:34

World is mad. But I'm a bigot if I say so. Lol, a mixed-raced, gay man in 2017 is a bigot because he says a man that puts on womens clothes doesn't make him a woman. Where's the logic gone?

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Sugarcoma · 24/01/2018 04:16

To the pp upthread asking about people who 'identify' as disabled.

This woman does the rounds every few years or so, extremely disturbing: www.snopes.com/2015/10/02/jewel-shuping-blind/

I also remember absolutely decades ago reading an article in the Guardian about people who wanted their limbs cut off (and of course th Grauniad's piece was sympathetic to it and almost critical of the doctors who said this was a mental illness).

I genuinely can't see the difference between those people and men who want their penises lopped off.

It is clearly a mental illness.

Sugarcoma · 24/01/2018 04:20

Also, thanks to the person who posted the Unilad link about this person, who identifies as a woman and a Filipino (see pic to understand how ludicrous both of those statements are).

But the best part of that article was this quote from Munroe Bergdorf:

"It's insulting for any person of colour to see a white person who has all of the privileges but none of the social stigma or knows what it's like to have your culture appropriated."

Let's change that to something a little more relevant, shall we:

"It's insulting for any -person of colour- woman to see a -white person- man who has all of the privileges but none of the social stigma or knows what it's like to have your -culture- gender appropriated."

AIBU? I want to be Japanese.
Christmascardqueen · 24/01/2018 04:33

ummm if i identify as being british can i skip the immigration paperwork?

AstridWhite · 24/01/2018 05:00

In all seriousness though, I think it says a lot that people would be outraged/shocked at a white person identifying as black, but women are being muscled into accepting men as women.

I completely agree. I can't really see any difference intellectually between being forced to accept a white person as black because they say so, and being forced to accept that a man with a penis is a woman because he says so. If it's about how you feel inside then who are we to argue with anyone?

Also there's the 'one drop' rule where someone who identifies as black and really latches onto that black part of their heritage, even though genetically they may be far more white than black.

Where does this end? If one of those DNA tests showed that I was 2% African from eleventy billion years ago, why can't I argue that I am black?

I wouldn't of course, for obvious reasons. But if being a woman is a simple as feeling like a woman then I really don't see why I can't demand to be accepted as anything I feel like being. Including black. Or royal. Or a supermodel. Or a brain surgeon. I feel qualified, so let me at you with the scalpel.

And I agree that she would appear to have a mental health issue.

Fekko · 24/01/2018 08:01

I don’t think that Munroe can speak for black people (what every single one - African, Asian, middle eastern...?) because munroe is mixed race and was definately male at one point - so double whammy priveledge. I’m still curious about what her mum thinks (as a mum I’d take DS to task if he started these antics and probably ground him for a year with no tv).

MiddleClassProblem · 24/01/2018 09:40

Being a mixed race and gay, you could still be a bigot... you could still hate women, hate people frlm a certain country/religion, hate lesbians etc

It’s not a stamp that rules it out...

grannytomine · 24/01/2018 10:02

Also there's the 'one drop' rule where someone who identifies as black and really latches onto that black part of their heritage, even though genetically they may be far more white than black. I always thought the one drop rule was used by racists to say however white you look and feel if you have one ancestor who is black you are black. I've never heard it the other way round.

Flowerfae · 24/01/2018 10:19

I identify being the queen, those squatters need to move out of Buckingham, and all my other properties.

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