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AIBU? I want to be Japanese.

117 replies

MissionItsPossible · 23/01/2018 08:23

www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/former-air-hostess-martina-big-11895174

You can change gender, change your hair type and change race!

I identify as Japanese because "I can't wait to go to Japan because I hear the food is tasty".

Actually, if I'm thinking about this, I want to be identified as a cat. I like the idea of sleeping, getting fed and scratching people when they fuck me off.

Seriously though, WTAF?

OP posts:
IsHalfTermOverYet · 23/01/2018 11:28

It's escaping who you are. Reinventing yourself. Hoping you'll be happier as someone else

ForagingForFaerieGold · 23/01/2018 11:29

I would LOVE to be a cat.

Where do I sign up?
Oh ? I can't you say. That's just for men narcissistic AGPs who want to be women.

Lovesagin · 23/01/2018 11:30

Wont be long before people can identify as being a person with a disability.

This trans women are women shiteola is going to be incredibly damaging to everyone, let alone the trans people it will serve to erase, they don't even realise they are being horribly transphobic themselves.

Justanotherzombie · 23/01/2018 11:31

Why don't you just worry about who you are and let others worry about who they are instead of mocking them.

MissionItsPossible · 23/01/2018 11:39

Wont be long before people can identify as being a person with a disability.

Transabled? It's a thing.

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Lovesagin · 23/01/2018 11:39

I'm fine with anyone being who they want to be, as long as that doesn't involve them trampling over everyone else to get there.

leiaorganashair · 23/01/2018 11:42

Japanese is very hard for foreigners to learn. You'll need about 2000-3000 Kanji to read a newspaper, that could take you years to learn.

I propose that all Japanese newspapers should start using the English alphabet, to make it easier for the Japanese transracials to understand. It doesn't matter that Japanese has used its own alphabets for centuries, if things don't change the transracials will feel excluded and like they aren't real Japanese. The whole country should bend for the tiny minority Grin

I do not understand why we are so quick to dismiss the trans ethnic thing as ridiculous but trampling all over women's rights is fine.

PeacefulBlessing · 23/01/2018 11:46

Wont be long before people can identify as being a person with a disability

Some people already do.

Lovesagin · 23/01/2018 11:54

I had no idea! So I can start using services for the disabled if I feel disabled? Because I understand the issues faced and have experience of debilitating pain so I know exactly how they feel? Happy days, what could possibly be wrong with that? Hmm

Blueskyrain · 23/01/2018 12:07

I identify as being size 8

scoffs more cake

Catabogus · 23/01/2018 12:40

What about this bloke? Was a white man, now says he's a Filipina:

www.washingtonexaminer.com/born-a-white-florida-man-now-identifies-as-a-filipina/article/2640836

FancyNewBeesly · 23/01/2018 12:43

Clearly you guys have never seen the folks on tumblr who identify as furniture.

Eltonjohnssyrup · 23/01/2018 12:46

Poor little lamb. She reminds me of Alicia Duvall before Alicia Duvall got all nice and sensible. She used to do awful things to her body because she had so many issues but is now recovering. Don't really see how trans is somehow different from her dysmorphia or this woman's.

Just as an aside, I really like Alicia Duvall even if she does give her kids stupid names. I think she's been very brave talking about her dysmorphia.

Slapbetcommissioner · 23/01/2018 12:46

I posted this on another thread but it fits....if men can identify as women....

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If I am outwardly a white woman, to others, but born in Africa and identify as a black woman?69
20/01/2018 17:07 SherlocksTripleLock

Then why shouldn't the state recognise this? I am a British citizen, btw.

If transgenderism is recognised, why not trans-racialism? I have always felt my ethnic identity is more in line with where I was born.

Genuine question. I am wondering why there are rules for some, but not for others who feel 'different inside' as well.

I'm sure there are a multitude of scenarios of self-identifying individuals that wish to be recognised. Where does the buck stop?

20/01/2018 17:10 ItsAllGoingToBeFine

I think that if people can identify as the opposite sex, and be legally recognised as such you should absolutely be allowed to be legally recognised as black. You should also be able to identify as any age or religion you like. Fancy identifying as pregnant or disabled, why not? It would be bigoted to question your deeply held identity.

20/01/2018 17:13 Ekphrasis

Because it's 'little women.' Misogyny still rules and perpetuates.

20/01/2018 17:13 nauticant

By coincidence, this was answered on twitter yesterday by a literal fuckwit:

twitter.com/jimahsjournals/status/954366232337305603

20/01/2018 17:21 greenlanes

I have to deal with Ethnicity in an Education context - it's required to be collected for Census reasons. If one of our parents is Black Caribbean but answers Chinese or White or Pakistani as their Ethnic origin I wont be questioning that. It is absolutely their prerogative to answer how they wish including their legal right to answer "prefer not to state".

Could you explain a bit more of the context where the state wont recognise this.

20/01/2018 17:22 SherlocksTripleLock

who wish to, not that.

I try to keep away from Twitter. Just recently I was called a transphobe for saying I think the GRA warrants further scrutiny (and its implications further scrutiny, too).

20/01/2018 17:25 Slapbetcommissioner

You should be able to. As a PP said you should be able to identify as anything you want - a race, gender, whatever.
If someone identifies as disabled they should get disability benefits. If someone identifies as pregnant they should be allowed time off for appointments and maternity leave as well as being given scans etc. If someone identifies as a manager they should be assigned staff to manage. If someone identifies as a 4 year old they should be allowed in nursery and if someone identifies as an 82 year old they should be allowed to live in an old peoples home. Why not? I can't see any difference between choosing a gender and choosing an age or a race etc.
Every group of people you can think off will have their own struggles and history and people prejudiced against them and anyone should be able to pretend they understand and have lived through those issues and just 'become' whatever they want on a daily basis depending on how they feel when they wake up.

PeacefulBlessing · 23/01/2018 12:46

Furniture???

What would that even be called?

Trans ?

Slapbetcommissioner · 23/01/2018 12:47

Sorry I posted too much! Blush you get the idea though!

FancyNewBeesly · 23/01/2018 12:51

They tend to come under the umbrella of "otherkin"

I'm in a feminist group that destroyed Dolezal but regularly TERF-hunts their members. I've yet to see an explanation as to why one is acceptable and not the other.

And as for transableism, there are doctors who will amputate healthy limbs for these people, but most realise it's a mental health issue, which is not to say it's not a real issue, but needs treatment that isn't hacking off limbs.

FluffyWuffy100 · 23/01/2018 12:52

@PeacefulBlessing

Trans-inanimate ?

SchrodingersFrilledLizard · 23/01/2018 12:52

people would be outraged/shocked at a white person identifying as black, but women are being muscled into accepting men as women

Correction: people were outraged when Rachel Dolezal claimed to be black. Those same people are the ones who believe that men can be women just by putting on a dress.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 23/01/2018 12:55

Wont be long before people can identify as being a person with a disability

An interesting challenge for those who do the DLA/PIP assessments ...

Eltonjohnssyrup · 23/01/2018 12:58

Can you identify as black to get a tenner of the Labour Party conference? It's £30 for BAME and £40 for white people.

Sarahjconnor · 23/01/2018 13:05

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FancyNewBeesly · 23/01/2018 13:08

Don't worry about that puzzled - most people with legitimate disabilities can't even get those benefits

Catabogus · 23/01/2018 13:09

I am amazed at those comments on "Ja Du" (formerly Adam), the white man who says he's a Filipina woman and has bought himself a tuk-tuk to ride around in in Florida... “his transracial stuff is made up, but he's definitely real transgender person" etc.

What the heck is the difference? If anything I would think that being able to change race - being LESS rooted in biology than sex, not more - would be more plausible.

taskmaster · 23/01/2018 13:31

Can you identify as black to get a tenner of the Labour Party conference? It's £30 for BAME and £40 for white people

Is it? How do they justify that?

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