Monroe Bergdorf on the Women’s March

[bambambini]

Aibu to be pissed off that Women are being told not to bang on about female reproduction rights in regards to the Women’s March today? Monroe has a huge following, has been vocal in interviews, articles, TV, radio etc. They recently were featured in Woman’s Hour’s celebration of women.

I have fucking peaked. It's too much. Trans women are fucking TRANS WOMEN!!!!!!! Not women!!!

(They’re men really)

I believe trans women are women and that the female experience is more than just being disadvantaged due to our genitalia/reproductive capabilities. It's a spectrum. The point Bergdorf should have made is that to solely focus on our physical bodies is exclusionary to women who can't have kids/periods etc HOWEVER it is part and parcel of the problems we all face. It's a symptom of this cancer called oppression. We have to unite and accept that there are different experiences of womanhood and therefore different experiences of discrimination. What unites us is that we are not 'men' and do not have their privilege. And we're fucking sick of it.

p.s. apologies for the garbled nature of my post, a very disrupted night thanks to DD :(

Re. pussy hats - they are very definitely a political statement about vaginas - they are a direct reference to Trump's "grab 'em by the pussy" recording. They look like pussy cats because it's the visual equivalent of a play on words.

Go pussy hats! These particular women's marches arose as a direct response to the election of a self-confessed sexual predator to the American presidency, who chooses to surround himself with religious right men who want to target not just abortion but the provision of contraception (read up on his appointee to the supreme court, Gorsuch's role in the Holly Lobby case). The first executive order Trump signed as president, surrounded by a group of middle aged white men in suits looking smug, was one to pull the plug on any foreign aid campaigns that even told women where they could get abortions.

These are direct attacks on women's rights in the most fundamental, biological sense of being allowed to control our own fertility and have control over our own bodies.

Anyone who seeks to take reference to women's biology and reproductive rights out of the women's marches is a raving, unreconstructed, unrepentant, screaming misogynist.

to solely focus on our physical bodies is exclusionary to women who can't have kids/periods

Amenorrhoea is a female experience.
Infertility affects both sexes but diagnosis and treatment affects men and women very differently.
Miscarriage is a female experience
Hysterectomy is a female experience
Menopause is a female experience

Women are female
Transwomen are male

Fuck this shit.

Im having those last 3 words printed on a Tshirt.

To the list above I would add that period poverty is a female experience.

to solely focus on our physical bodies is exclusionary to women who can't have kids/periods

Utter fucking horseshit.

I am not uniting with TIMs because of we are not men. We are women in our own right. I refuse to be diminished.

@starkinthesouth unless you're trying to argue that women who don't have periods or are struggling with infertility somehow mysteriously don't have female bodies, I'm failing to see what your point is.

Yeah, FGM and breast ironing are purely due to people identifying as a girl. No biological reality here.

I think infertile women, women who’ve had hysterectomies,women whose female bodies don’t work properly - probably experience more than most women the often problematic and sometimes heartbreaking reality of female biology.

Are you lot not bored of these threads yet?

"The elephant in the womb"

(On a banner in Washington today)

So the "missing millions" of girls in the world is due to their gender - womanhood, femininity, right?

Girls who are married off at age 12, it's because of their gender, not their sex? They could have simply identified out of it?

What about all the women and girls who die or are permanently damaged by childbirth every day? Genderfeelz is what done it?

Fuck them seriously this is a display of utter disregard, disinterest of women and girls. They do not give one fuck, not one about our issues. They don't know what they are, and when they are told, they don't care. They say shut up! Fuck them.

I can't find it on twitter but I don't really know how twitter works. Was interested to see the reaction.

Rightsaid

No, not really. Especially as it’s the Women’s March today so wuite relevant - what do you think if Bergdorf’s demands? Bergdorf is possibly the most well known TW/Transactivist in the UK (especially to young folk/our kids) and has been given a large platform to air their views.

I can't find it on twitter but I don't really know how twitter works. Was interested to see the reaction.

They’ve had over 300 “likes” for their tweet and slso this reply from The Women’s March

I have no problem with transwomen joining the fight for women's rights, but a lot of the reason most women need those rights and equal treatment is because of our reproductive systems ffs.

A transwoman will never need to fight for the right to control their fertility or terminate a pregnancy, not to undergo genital mutilation in childhood, to have tax-free sanpro or somewhere to express breast milk at work.

If transwomen want the support of the rest of us in fighting harassment, abuse, violence and sexual assault, they need to stop trying to dictate the agenda to exclude the things that affect those of us who are female from birth.

If you want to be in the sisterhood, you have to accept the needs of your sisters.

I found it bambambini thanks

twitter.com/MunroeBergdorf/status/954775970824810498

The women's march AGREE that female biology and issues related to female reproduction ie the entire basis of sexism and the cause of misery and death for women and girls all over the world every day should not be mentioned and it's out of line to mention it?

I'm aghast.

Fuck them too. What the fuck is going on?

I believe trans women are women

On what basis?

and that the female experience is more than just being disadvantaged due to our genitalia/reproductive capabilities. It's a spectrum.

What's it due to then? How we 'identify'? So should we simply 'identify' out of oppression?

The language Bergdorf uses as well is so mansplainy, so authoritarian, SO FUCKING MALE.

Heartened to see that she got an absolute roasting though on that thread.

I can't believe the womens march agree with that.

What's he fucking point then? I'm so upset.

Also the irony of 'Think about your message, use your voice for ALL women. Not just yourself'.

What the fuck?