If you're an unemployed waster then you should have a vasectomy!!!

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Ben Bradley, an MP, wrote in a blogpost, 6 years ago, that the country would be soon “drowning in a vast sea of unemployed wasters” if workless families had four or five children while others limited themselves to one or two.
This is what he said:

''It’s horrendous that there are families out there that can make vastly more than the average wage, (or in some cases more than a bloody good wage) just because they have 10 kids. Sorry but how many children you have is a choice; if you can’t afford them, stop having them! Vasectomies are free.

There are hundreds of families in the UK who earn over £60,000 in benefits without lifting a finger because they have so many kids (and for the rest of us that’s a wage of over £90,000 before tax!).

People have to take responsibility for their own lives, and if they are struggling but working hard to help themselves then they should get help. But if they choose to have 10 kids they should take responsibility for that choice and look after them, not expect everyone else to foot the bill!

Families who have never worked a day in their lives having 4 or 5 kids and the rest of us having 1 or 2 means it’s not long before we’re drowning in a vast sea of unemployed wasters that we pay to keep!''

So What to do you think? Do you agree with Ben Bradley or do you think he is being unreasonable?

I don’t think some people here understand the reality of day to day life in poverty. Whether that’s on benefits or in low paid work.
It’s hard, bone wearyingly hard. It’s soul destroying to have to think about every penny you spend, to worry if you can eat properly/feed your children properly AND have the heating on, or hot water. It’s exhausting.

I honestly believe that some on here have this impression of people in poverty merrily watching Sky tv on their flatscreen behemoth tellies, guzzling alcohol and chain smoking. That is not the case, it just isn’t.

The scary thing about some of the comments on here is that people don’t realise that if you start branding one group as a drain on society it will not be long before others are similarly labelled.
Start with the feckless unemployed, why not then move on to the disabled, the retired, the elderly, all those not paying higher rate taxes -

First they came for the Socialists and I did not speak out because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the Trade Unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a Trade Unionist
Then they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak for me
(Martin Niemoeller)

personally I would like to see a viable alternative to the Tories, but that's not Labour at the moment. We would be starving within a couple of years if he got in, businesses would start pulling out the day after the election

I am not particularly doubting your thought processes regarding the present or the past - though I disagree with much of it. But this crystal ball you have is worthless.

it will not be long before others are similarly labelled

For the most part we schmucks are all clinging to a rope which someone has set fire to (that would be the Tories by-the-way), and at present we are kicking the shit out of those beneath us. Hoping the flame doesn't get us.

there are many of us who are already getting closer and closer to starving with each year.

But this crystal ball you have is worthless.

If you want to see people starving go and have a look at what is happening in Venezuela, the socialist society Corbyn has praised and said he wants to emulate. That's really starving and it's not even close to the situation here. That's my crystal ball.

the socialist society Corbyn has praised and said he wants to emulate

Come on Elton, you know that wasn't true Socialism .... next time they will get it right

Come on Elton, you know that wasn't true Socialism .... next time they will get it right

I think you're being sarcastic, but just in case you're not :

mobile.twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/309065744954580992?lang=en

this is what the Tories don’t want people to see

I’m not sure how Venezuelans dying because of their governments inability to do things properly is any more “real” than it happening in the UK.

Elton there are people starving now, in the UK in 2018. We don’t need to go to Venezuela. I see it every day.

Ah yes. She died because the teh evil torehs wouldn't feed her. Not because she was anorexic.

Elton there are people starving now, in the UK in 2018. We don’t need to go to Venezuela. I see it every day.

No, they're actually starving. Not a bit short until the next welfare payment, not toddling off down the food bank or asking for a crisis loan. There is no food in their shops. The precious little there is - that's going to the regime, Maduro is putting weight ON. They had footage of people chasing down a cow in a field and killing it they are that desperate. Honestly, some people don't have any idea they're born.

I'd like to see an end to the benefits freeze because I don't think they're currently getting enough because of inflation and the dropping pound. But if you think it's anywhere near the pile of shit we'd end up in under Corbyn you're deluded.

@Eltonjohnssyrup did you read it? She died because she was too cold, because she’d been sanctioned for not attending a meeting she was too poorly to get to, and could only afford heating when her children were home.

Do you have any compassion at all?

No, her mother claimed that. It wasn't confirmed by an inquest or medical evidence. She had a serious illness. The inquest hasn't even been opened. And nobody knows how she died.

@Eltonjohnssyrup you’re the kind of person who will openly not give a shit when someone dies because of an unfair benefits system. So call me names all you want. Your attitude is appalling.

You have no idea what people are going through and it’s abundantly clear you couldn’t give a shit. Says it all really.

So you can read an article where a vulnerable, very unwell woman can have benefits cut because she didn’t attend a meeting (because she was in intensive care in hospital), she died wearing a coat and fucking scarf indoors and your sole response is “nobody knows how she died”?

The level of indifference from you and your beloved Tories is shameful.

arsed, if the inquest proves that is accurate then of course I would be concerned. However I'm not going to base my political opinions on a facebook rant from a clearly upset woman when there is no way yet of verifying whether or not what she is saying is true. I prefer to deal with facts rather than emotional but unverifiable claims when I make a judgement.

Oh, and I doubt our power stations would even function after a few years under Corbyn so you'd be seeing a lot more than that.

You seem utterly convinced that Corbyn is the root of all evil without even mentioning the shit state the Tories have got us into. Blame Labour all you like. They’ve had years to sort things out and haven’t, in fact it’s got worse for many.

That woman should never have been sanctioned. Being in intensive care in hospital should not be a valid reason to stop or cut benefits. Yet under the Tories it’s acceptable to do that.

I doubt she was wearing a coat and scarf because she fancied a wee dress up btw.

Ok then, Grenfell Tower. It’s been well documented that many who were made homeless by that completely avoidable (fact not emotion) out of control fire haven’t been found permanent homes, have had to leave the local area to find housing and haven’t had anything like acceptable support from either the Council or the government.

These are all documented facts. So defend the Tories now.

I don't think the Tories are wonderful and if there was a viable alternative I'd vote for them. As I said, I currently think that benefit levels are too low because of inflation and the drop in the pound, particularly because of increasing food prices.

But I'm not going to vote for an alternative which is going to mean mass unemployment, starvation, huge public debt, massive poverty on a scale unimaginable to most people in this country and collapse of the national infrastructure.

That's a bit like curing a verruca by cutting off your leg so you bleed to death.

You’re describing life under the Tories though, just because you don’t see it doesn’t mean it isn’t happening.
I’m not a Corbyn-ite either, I’ve never voted Labour or Tory, but you’ve a cheek to tell me to deal with facts when you’re making up a future wildly outrageous as if it’s fact.

Corbyn may not be the answer, but keeping these fuckers in power certainly isn’t helping anyone but the rich.

Oh, and I doubt our power stations would even function after a few years under Corbyn so you'd be seeing a lot more than that.

Is it one of those 8 Ball things you shake?

"Will we turn into a developing oil-based nation in the future under Corbyn?"

"ask again in a little while."

Notreallyarsed

Ok then, Grenfell Tower. It’s been well documented that many who were made homeless by that completely avoidable (fact not emotion)

The results of the inquiry are not out yet. Wasn't it a fridge or washing machine that is generally believed to have started it? Which would have meant it was avoidable. Let's see what the inquiry says.

haven’t been found permanent homes
Eh? I understood they had all been found permanent homes but most of them had not accepted the offers.

have had to leave the local area to find housing
Like millions of people do all the time. When circumstances change or we can't afford it any more, we move.

and haven’t had anything like acceptable support from either the Council or the government.
What support is missing precisely?

Ok then, Grenfell Tower. It’s been well documented that many who were made homeless by that completely avoidable (fact not emotion) out of control fire haven’t been found permanent homes, have had to leave the local area to find housing and haven’t had anything like acceptable support from either the Council or the government.

They've had HUGE amounts of money and support. They're given £1,300 per month per adult and £650 per month by the government AFTER bills and accommodation plus they have all had grants from charity funds raised which work out at £51,000 per household.

And yes, some of them aren't housed yet, because funnily enough it's not that easy to magic up the three bedroomed homes with gardens that they want in the most expensive borough of one of the most densely populated cities in the world.

The thing is, if you view every single thing through Tory filters it makes all poor people look like monsters.

Here is an example:

INPUT: Wow, the river is running high after all the rain.

Tory filter engages: Poor people need to get jobs and quit spewing babies out and not get tattoos and Venezuela..."