If you're an unemployed waster then you should have a vasectomy!!!

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Ben Bradley, an MP, wrote in a blogpost, 6 years ago, that the country would be soon “drowning in a vast sea of unemployed wasters” if workless families had four or five children while others limited themselves to one or two.
This is what he said:

''It’s horrendous that there are families out there that can make vastly more than the average wage, (or in some cases more than a bloody good wage) just because they have 10 kids. Sorry but how many children you have is a choice; if you can’t afford them, stop having them! Vasectomies are free.

There are hundreds of families in the UK who earn over £60,000 in benefits without lifting a finger because they have so many kids (and for the rest of us that’s a wage of over £90,000 before tax!).

People have to take responsibility for their own lives, and if they are struggling but working hard to help themselves then they should get help. But if they choose to have 10 kids they should take responsibility for that choice and look after them, not expect everyone else to foot the bill!

Families who have never worked a day in their lives having 4 or 5 kids and the rest of us having 1 or 2 means it’s not long before we’re drowning in a vast sea of unemployed wasters that we pay to keep!''

So What to do you think? Do you agree with Ben Bradley or do you think he is being unreasonable?

Or should we start to freeze them out if they don't want to take part? Not work for them maybe? Instead lend our labour to a genuinely talented person rather than entrench unearned, unmerited privilege.

We don't have to freeze them out. They leave. We don't have to refuse to work for them, they will take their jobs elsewhere and the highly skilled workers with them. The genuinely talented will go elsewhere or won't be able to get the investment needed to employ people or even the customers to sell to.

This is Corbyn's utopia for you. We live in a highly connected highly mobile world and jobs and money don't stay where the atmosphere is hostile. Our tax income will reduce to almost nothing while I borrowing will increase and our growing inability to repay will stop us borrowing more. And then we'll end up like Venezuela with children starving in the streets while Corbyn and McDonnell and their comrades insulate themselves from the fallout.

You can't run a country on public sector workers and the unemployed.

Really makeourfuture, you're the biggest class poisoner on here with your misleading propaganda. How are things at Momentum HQ today? Is it nice having Jared back? Has he remembered not to call anybody a slag yet?

I don’t think the answer is sterilisation, you can’t forcablely tell people what to do with their bodies. However, I think the govt would have every right to say they won’t continue funding people who have children whilst on benefits. With benefits of course continuing to be paid to the disabled, carers, the elderly and for a certain period for those who’ve lost their job or fled DV or similar.
Why are those who work expected to leave their baby after 39 weeks maternity leave but those who don’t given 3 years before there’s any expecatation of working? By which time a lot of people will go on to have another and start the cycle again?
It’s shambles.

To me it seems as they are all looking for one way or another for population control. Limit everything so people think twice about havingore children. There will come a day where we will have a rule like China for the not so well off, one child per couple, more then likely be done via child benefit. It's already down to 2 kids.

Alltheprettyseahorses, can you tell me what that 1.7 billion does for travel people of Blackpool? How does that help the people who live there? Take a step off the prom and take a look at the level of deprivation on every street. Homeless people in every doorway. Massive levels of unemployment. One of the highest rates of mental health problems in the country. Families living in abject poverty. A disproportionate level of people with substance and alcohol abuse. Support groups, libraries, children's centres closing left, right and centre. A hospital that is drowning under the pressure of all of these issues. How is that 1.7 billion helping any of these people? It isn't. ..fact. Believe me I know....I live in Blackpool!

*the people of Blackpool. ...not travel! Sorry

Really makeourfuture, you're the biggest class poisoner on here

Always punch upwards. It is a test of character.

"You know things are broke! Let's go kick some poor people!"

See how it works?

Always punch upwards. It is a test of character.

Yes, but when you punch upwards, just make sure you don't kill off the person feeding you or you'll starve.

"You know things are broke! Let's go kick some poor people!"

See how it works?

I'm not sure things are broken now. They certainly were in 2010. I suppose it depends on whether you think the best way of helping poor people is consigning them to useless, futile, empty lives on benefits so they become a bloc client vote is the best way of helping them.

Considering the average wage of a Labour voter is now higher than that of a Conservative voter that would suggest that the poor just don't believe you. They don't want handouts from a paternalistic middle class left wing movement that lectures them on what they should be doing, they want to make their way in life, not take handouts.

Because they benefit from that road more than anyone else. They benefit from their business vehicles using it.They benefit from their workers' vehicles using it. But they pay the same.

What are these vehicles transporting that is of value only to their owners and not the rest of us?? Enquiring Minds want to know!!

Road Tolls would be a better option - pay as you use, all proceeds back to the maintenance of the roads. Then these rich buggers would be paying fair & square for the "extra" use......

There are hundreds of families in the UK who earn over £60,000 in benefits without lifting a finger

Is that all? The way everyone carries on you imagine it to be hundreds of thousands.

They obviously don't have their benefits capped, which means they probably can't work rather than won't.

You can't run a country on public sector workers and the unemployed.

Well said!!

You can't run a country on public sector workers and the unemployed.

Nor on artificially inflated house values.

lots of reasons why adults become unemployed as an MP he should know that !!!!!!...i agree a small minority have kids and have a can't work / won't work attitude.

but what i do agree on is that guys who have multiple kids with different girls /women and no intention of support child should maybe think about a vasectomy as an alternative birth control

Here's a good one:

HSBC, finding itself "exposed" to Carillion, repackages the junk debt and sells it on.

www.ft.com/content/44e8c9f0-fb9c-11e7-a492-2c9be7f3120a

This is how this stuff works. The foundation of our current model.

HSBC, finding itself "exposed" to Carillion, repackages the junk debt and sells it on

You know, they're not forcing anyone to buy it...

And it was Labour still handing out contracts just days before they went bust, and Labour that dished out most of their PFI contracts.

And we would see far more companies going bust under Jeremy...

Nor on artificially inflated house values.

And who deregulated the banks and allowed massive immigration which started this shitshow in the first place? That would be Labour. Again. And they have no intention of cutting migration and no coherent plan for housing them either.

I am unsure of your arguments for the maintenance of the status quo.

Are you saying that Blair's Labour is responsible, but that we must continue along the same lines?

I am unsure of your arguments for the maintenance of the status quo.

I'm not arguing for maintaining the status quo. I'm saying the alternative you are offering is shit.

Are you saying that Blair's Labour is responsible, but that we must continue along the same lines?

No, I'm saying Labour promise miracles then make things worse for everybody. I've seen their messiah figures promising miracles then delivering failure before. Everything from the Islamic terror problem to the housing crisis lies is down to Labour and I'm sure Jeremy would have even worse up his self.

I don't believe anyone, including Elton is happy with the way things are now and how they will be for the next couple of year at least if not more. Especially now that taxpayers are expected to pay the high cost of failing privatisation. Where is the trickle down effect when things go well for these companies? The current government isn't offering any solutions or alternatives, just excuses and blaming others. I would like to think that the next election could bring with it some change and hope. But, based purely on online comments, so many people seem more right-wing than ever so even though they aren't happy with anything, they will most likely vote for more of the same.. More cancelled surgeries, more bills for tax payers to pay for failed companies, more of the housing crisis, more homelessness.

brownliver, personally I would like to see a viable alternative to the Tories, but that's not Labour at the moment. We would be starving within a couple of years if he got in, businesses would start pulling out the day after the election.

I do understand that fear Elton but there are many of us who are already getting closer and closer to starving with each year. And of course many others already are. So for us, waiting patiently until tories maybe come up with something isn't really an option. The tory grassroots movement needs to start putting more effective pressure on their top level. Why are TM and co still here? I wish the tory moderates and centrists were much more visible and voted against the whips more often.