If you're an unemployed waster then you should have a vasectomy!!!

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Ben Bradley, an MP, wrote in a blogpost, 6 years ago, that the country would be soon “drowning in a vast sea of unemployed wasters” if workless families had four or five children while others limited themselves to one or two.
This is what he said:

''It’s horrendous that there are families out there that can make vastly more than the average wage, (or in some cases more than a bloody good wage) just because they have 10 kids. Sorry but how many children you have is a choice; if you can’t afford them, stop having them! Vasectomies are free.

There are hundreds of families in the UK who earn over £60,000 in benefits without lifting a finger because they have so many kids (and for the rest of us that’s a wage of over £90,000 before tax!).

People have to take responsibility for their own lives, and if they are struggling but working hard to help themselves then they should get help. But if they choose to have 10 kids they should take responsibility for that choice and look after them, not expect everyone else to foot the bill!

Families who have never worked a day in their lives having 4 or 5 kids and the rest of us having 1 or 2 means it’s not long before we’re drowning in a vast sea of unemployed wasters that we pay to keep!''

So What to do you think? Do you agree with Ben Bradley or do you think he is being unreasonable?

The results of the inquiry are not out yet. Wasn't it a fridge or washing machine that is generally believed to have started it? Which would have meant it was avoidable. Let's see what the inquiry says

And the inquiry isn’t likely to say that fireproof cladding rather than the cheap shite they stuck on the side of the tower wouldn’t have made a difference is it?

These people were forced from their homes, many lost everything and they should have been found accommodation within their local area so they could stay close to work, schools, support networks.

£1300 and £650 a month is fuck all when you’ve got to replace everything you possess.

When circumstances change or we can't afford it any more, we move

They were burned out of their homes because the council didn’t spend an extra few grand on fireproof cladding. And don’t give me “but the inquiry isn’t finished” because if the cladding made no difference they wouldn’t be furiously trying to replace it on all the other high rise buildings would they?

Circumstances didn’t change, they were burned out of their homes.

haven’t been found permanent homes
Eh? I understood they had all been found permanent homes but most of them had not accepted the offers.

Aye because they were miles away!

What support is missing precisely?

Finding them safe, affordable accommodation in their local area because it was the Council who fucked up in the first place!

Make, you broke from protocol there...

What do you think about Corbyn not promising to reverse the benefit freeze/cap.

What do you think about Corbyn apparently not promising to eradicate student debt.

How is the straight talking honest politics going..

(Re Grenfell residents) They're given £1,300 per month per adult and £650 per month by the government AFTER bills and accommodation

I was aware of the charity funds - though not the exact amounts - but I didn't know about this. Do you have any links please?

How is the straight talking honest politics going..

Shite, because Tories are in power. Fuck all straight talking or honest about them!

The thing is, if you view every single thing through Tory filters it makes all poor people look like monsters.

Conversely through the Labour filter they are all saints and angels.

In reality they are a mixture of both. IMO I would much prefer if their was a third way which provided a system which was water tight against abuse so that higher levels of benefits could be paid out and we were secure in the knowledge it was going to the right people.

But at the moment we have the current system and then the Labour philosophy which is throw huge amounts of money at people even when we know they're massively taking the piss and the entire system gets discredited as a result.

And as I've said repeatedly, benefits should be higher.

But through the lens of makeourfuture anybody who doesn't completely buy into the Momentum project is teh evil Tory scum who should probably been thrown off a high building.

And I'm not going to vote for everyone being on poverty as an alternative to some people being in poverty. The Conservatives are the least bad option.

The Conservatives are the least bad option

Wow.

£20 odd million raised and half distributed to those affected. That's £10 mil per 196 households which = over £50,000.

www.civilsociety.co.uk/news/over-half-of-funds-raised-for-grenfell-tower-fire-has-now-been-distributed.html

Aye raised, by charities. Not the government!

Why 'Wow' arsed. Because your position seems to be 'Well if some people are starving everybody should starve because that's fair.

If you had ten people and you could only stop 9 of them starving would you just let all ten starve because it wasn't fair?

I wish there was another viable option that meant that everybody could be properly provided for, but at the moment the choice is between the Tories and Labour. And the most people would starve under Labour so that's my choice I'm afraid.

What do you think about Corbyn not promising to reverse the benefit freeze/cap.

What do you think about Corbyn apparently not promising to eradicate student debt.

I disagree with Jeremy on quite a few things. But contrary to assertions made here, he is just a person. We will be pressuring to firm up language on the cap and on student debt relief. Both are important.

It will all be quite the puzzle to unpick, but it can be done.

If you had ten people and you could only stop 9 of them starving would you just let all ten starve because it wasn't fair?

The trolley conundrum only works if strict limits are placed. Can the 9 share their food with the other guy?

The monthly payments come from the government, the government made a £10,000 grant to each household plus they gave £28 million to services supporting the victims.

Where do you want the extra money to come from to pay for more? The NHS? Social care? The homeless?

Notreallyarsed

And the inquiry isn’t likely to say that fireproof cladding rather than the cheap shite they stuck on the side of the tower wouldn’t have made a difference is it?
If the cladding (which was approved, which met all the regs, which private tenants and owners have lived with for years too) was found to have contributed to the spread of the fire (highly likely), then yes of course the inquiry will state so. The cladding didn't spontaneously combust though. It spread to the cladding and started elsewhere - via the fridge/washing machine. Hence I contend that it was preventable if that is found to be an accurate report.

These people were forced from their homes, many lost everything
As anybody who has a house fire is.

and they should have been found accommodation within their local area so they could stay close to work, schools, support networks.
Absolutely, totally and unequivocally NO. Most were supported by the taxpayer for their homes, they do not have the luxury to demand the taxpayer ensures they continue to live in the most expensive neighbourhood in London, in some of the most expensive properties in the UK. No. If they are incapable of supporting themselves, as the rest of us have to, and they have to receive benefits funded by other taxpayers, then take what is given and be grateful that others are putting a roof over their head at all. Anybody else would not get a drop of help from the council and would be expected to find their own accommodation, move far away if they cannot afford it, and if they didn't have insurance, well so be it, that's their fault.

£1300 and £650 a month is fuck all when you’ve got to replace everything you possess
That is a heck of a load of money. If they didn't sacrifice on other things to pay contents insurance (as most of us do), why should the taxpayer pay for their possessions too?

Oh, and the extra point is that I won't vote for openly anti-Semitic racists either.

Thank you Elton, that was interesting, but I'm still trying to find anything about them being given "£1,300 per month per adult and £650 per month by the government AFTER bills and accommodation"

I'm honestly not just being lazy and really have tried, but there's just so much about Grenfell online that I can't seem to single it out ...

Eltonjohnssyrup

Where do you want the extra money to come from to pay for more? The NHS? Social care? The homeless?

The rich. There is no need to make poor people scrabble for scraps,. this is still a wealthy nation.

The cladding didn't spontaneously combust though.

Yes but is it reasonably foreseeable that a small fire could break out? If so were proper contingencies in place?

Because there have been reports that the powers that be were warned about the flammable nature of the panels before the fire.

I’ve just realised it was you again Flowerpot you spout some of the most right wing bullshit I’ve ever heard. I didn’t notice your username when I responded otherwise I wouldn’t have bothered.

Because there have been reports that the powers that be were warned about the flammable nature of the panels before the fire.

There was a pressure group who were begging the council to replace the cladding with fireproof stuff months before it happened. But according to Flowerpot the tenants of Grenfell don’t matter. Social cleansing at its best eh?

Notreallyarsed

I’ve just realised it was you again Flowerpot you spout some of the most right wing bullshit I’ve ever heard.

No, I am not right wing at all. I just challenge your left wing bullshit and your statements which you are never able to support with any rational argument or evidence.

I didn’t notice your username when I responded otherwise I wouldn’t have bothered.

You make a habit of never actually answering questions which people pose you, I have noticed that, so nothing new there then.

I think live and let live. Life is too short to get stressed out with this nonsense.

Plus...what if you got a vasectomy then found out you had a change of circumstance/mind/fortune. It seems pretty final to me.

It's a shame people play the system the way they do, but at the same time you just don't know anybody's circumstances. People are too quick to judge.

One day you might have a great job, the next redundancy and vice versa. Nobody can tell the future so nobody has a right to tell other people what to do with their family.