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Original poster

... to feel disgusted at fox-chasing toff-twits!

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counterpoint · 13/01/2018 21:44

On my way to a local town for lunch today, we had to slow down and stop as a horse came galloping up towards us in the middle of the road. On his back sat a dandified twit who was looking for his hounds. In the nearby field some 100 (I kid you not) other starched twits sat on brainwashed horses with hungry hounds running amok. Traffic swayed and stopped as these twits had clearly lost the little sense they had and were dispersing all over the highway, horses looking dazed at being led among cars at great speed on slippery tarmac. Hounds confusedly sniffing all over the road and verges. How much had these twit-toffs drunk? It was not yet noon!

My friends in our car tried to calm me down saying it must be a drag when all of a sudden a poor defenseless fox jumped on the dry-stone wall looking wild-eyed as it tried to determine whether he was safer making a run for it across a busy road or turn back into a field of crazed, uncontrolled hounds and drunken (British?) twits. The fox froze and the driver of my car sped on as I screamed with panic for the predictable fate of the fox.

Why the f*ck is a supposedly civilized country allowing this kind of savagery to continue?

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AgathaRaisonDetra · 13/01/2018 23:21

BiscuitBiscuitBiscuitBiscuit

You know nothing JonOP. You know naaaaaaaarthing.

Marymaymay · 13/01/2018 23:22

Reasons so far in support of hunting:

OP may or may not find fishing/shooting acceptable (based on zero evidence)

Hunt sabs can be violent

OP doesn’t like posh people

OP is ‘boring’

LouiseBrooks · 13/01/2018 23:22

Rebecca thanks for the link.

Rebeccaslicker · 13/01/2018 23:24

Agatha - well so far, you just sound like a wanker. Got anything you actually want to say? Or are you too scared of being ripped to pieces for fun by a baying pack after running around until you're exhausted?

Oh no wait, sorry, got you confused with the 🦊...

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Middleoftheroad · 13/01/2018 23:26

Mary
Don't forget the reason that only a minority want to see the animal killed.

I guess the rest of the kind souls just get off on seeing a fox petrified, chased or maimed.

Shadowboy · 13/01/2018 23:31

When I was 16 (im 34 now for context) I watched a hunt sab punch a dog on the nose. He laughed. I have never forgotten the noise that poor dog made. Hunt sabs are not the wonderous animal ‘protectors’ they claim to be. I don’t hunt but I would also never believe the stuff the sabs peddle online. I used to live next door to one. He painted badger killers on a nearby farmer’s wall, 2 days after his wife had died. They also showed up at the funeral. It was appalling. He was stupid enough to brag about it to us. He did it realise I used to ride with the farmer’s wife before I had children.

BoneyBackJefferson · 13/01/2018 23:31

Marymaymay

You do know that people can be against hunting and against saboteurs hurting animals.

Hanch99 · 13/01/2018 23:32

Were you in Herefordshire by any chance? We saw the hunt today...on quite a busy a road and its only because we were looking after my friends little boy that my DH did not go crazy at them. He hates it.

WhyDidIEatThat · 13/01/2018 23:33

The purpose of trail hunting is to find and follow an artificially laid trail, not to kill an animal. Participation does not = psychopathy

crazycatgal · 13/01/2018 23:36

I can't believe that some people have actually turned out on this thread to try and defend foxhunting and berate the OP for caring.

Rebeccaslicker · 13/01/2018 23:37

Lots of animal rights activists do dreadful things. I remember reading one story where they had exhumed the body of someone's mother because his company experimented on animals.

But two wrongs don't make a right. The behaviour of saboteurs doesn't justify hunting any more than vice versa IMO.

WhyDidIEatThat · 13/01/2018 23:37

There’s a minority on both sides who want a kill, a handful of masters and a few antis.

Fueledwithfairydustandgin · 13/01/2018 23:37

I find it genuinely heartbreaking. I think you must be missing empathy and compassion to partake in something that intentionally inflicts pain and death on another life purely for shits and giggles. Their arguments to defend it are laughable. I would have more respect for them if they didn't argue or had decent responses but every time they peddle the same bull that doesn't make any sense whatsoever. So sad when there is such a need for positive things to be done and this is how they chose to spend their time.

Fueledwithfairydustandgin · 13/01/2018 23:39

Whydidieattjat that makes no sense. They are on a fox hunt. What do they think they're there for if not to kill a fox????

MoonfaceAndSilky · 13/01/2018 23:39

Agatha, OP is boring? Is that the best argument you can come up with?

LadyDeadpool · 13/01/2018 23:42

"Huntsman, Sam Staniland, put his hounds into a field of long scrub, an ideal spot for a fox to lay up during the day, and put one up they did. Sabs intervened and the terrier men went into aggression overload. Sam Stanley, second in command behind the pack leader Andy, attacked multiple sabs in an effort to slow us down, including head butting a Liverpool sab and breaking his nose. Despite their best efforts our other vehicle was perfectly placed to see a tired fox run up one side of a hedge whilst the hounds ran up the other. They bumped into each other but the sabs were able to distract the hounds just enough to give the fox valuable seconds to escape. Once we were sure it was safe the police were called and statements were taken."

More violence and blatant fox hunting today in Lincoln.

MoonfaceAndSilky · 13/01/2018 23:44

I think most hunt masters shoot the fox first of caught (humane) then let the dogs at it

Yes, of course they do Hmm

Pardalis · 13/01/2018 23:50

Since the ban on fox hunting, the welfare of foxes has not improved. In many cases it has gotten worse. Foxes have no natural predator. The old, weak and sick do not have a great death.

I do not agree with fox hunting per se. However, the current legal methods of fox control mean healthy foxes are killed, often not cleanly and other animals are killed accidentally. Whilst I am not saying hunting should be brought back, it was as least more effective than current methods.

As for sabs. As long as they are targeting bloodhounds (scent dogs, zero chance of fox kill), then they have no credibility in my eyes. They target bloodhounds frequently which just goes to show how little regard they have for animals. It's just an argument to be had and other animals to be put in danger

ADishBestEatenCold · 13/01/2018 23:57

OP "if I had been out walking my dog, neither of us would have stood a chance"

Flop "What would have happened to you and your dog counter?"

Maybe this v v v WhatWouldFlopDoToday

www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/horrified-onlookers-watch-pack-hounds-364896

or this > > > www.league.org.uk/news/out-of-control-hunt-hounds-attack-pet-dogs

or this > > > www.thejournal.ie/dog-attacked-hunt-1200991-Dec2013/

www.wildlifeguardian.co.uk/hunting/pets/
^ or something like the happenings in one of these twenty or so events

It's hardly unheard of.

Original poster
counterpoint · 14/01/2018 00:12

Hanch99 - "Were you in Herefordshire by any chance?"

We were on the road to Tetbury A47 or may have just come off that onto the A433.

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SummatFishyEre · 14/01/2018 00:24

If the fox was that close to the hounds and the hounds were just milling about aimlessly I don't think foxy woxy had much to worry about. If they had it's scent it would have been running.

Fox hunting is nowhere near as cruel as factory farming

Original poster
counterpoint · 14/01/2018 00:34

If they had it's scent it would have been running

It was running. It leapt onto the drystone wall that bordered the field from the road. It paused momentarily on the top clearly scared to either jump into the road as cars were going by or turn back into the field from where it came and the majority of hounds were.

I don't know what it did or what it's fate was but there were so many hounds, cars, horses (need I say, twits) that I can only be fearful for its future.

What I have learnt now is the true extent of this horror. DH has admitted to feeling quite shocked too and he had been a real sceptic that people actually went out hunting for foxes as we live in a 'civilised' country.

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MoKnickers · 14/01/2018 00:36

Twit twit twit twit twit Twit twit twit twit twit Twit twit twit twit twit Twit twit twit twit twit Twit twit twit twit twit.

Gosh OP you’re right - that does feel good!

GingerRogers84 · 14/01/2018 00:41

Fox hunting is nowhere near as cruel as factory farming

Doesn't make it right though does it? Angry

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