Insta Mum 3

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Why is the other thread closed?!? I was enjoying reading through it?!!

I do agree @jamoncrumpets that these accounts have grown beyond all reasonable expectation and an extreme rate and it must be very hard when you are enjoying the ride and the dubious fame to draw lines and keep up, but it does seem essentially as wren said the greed is more important to the child's right to privacy.

Ok I guess what I'm saying is that I don't think influencers have set out to intentionally exploit their children, it's more that through their carelessness their children have ended up exploited anyway.

I used it with thought, it is what's going on, but there are darker interpretations of uses of the word.
Just like an innocent photo of freshly bathed twins. Some see it as harmless others as an unnecessary post to nearly 1 million followers.

@jamincrumpets I do agree they didn't set out to do that at all, any more than I did with my social media use, but at some point, especially if the account is monetised and a business you must have to ask that question 'am I actually exploiting these children'
And maybe, some will say no, the holidays and schools and opportunities afforded to us by this lifestyle outweigh any future negatives of exposure. Currently with no regulations, their right. Or you may think, good god what am I doing and how did this happen, restraint is needed.

Maybe they didn’t set out to do that or maybe they did we will never know the true answer to that but going on what I have seen it clearly doesn’t effect them because as their audience has grown and more and more strangers look in on their lives the children haven’t been shielded from it they have been used time and time again, so it would appear that they don’t see it a problem. This is why I believe there should be tighter restrictions to police this kind of activity and control the amount a child can be used across social media. It’s not a private family account it’s being run as a business these children are essentially the business I don’t see how that can be right.

The more I see of FOD the more it seems he is an attention seeking narc. He is sadly using the twins to fulfill his needs and I can't imagine what he will do when they get a bit older and inevitably less cuter. I wouldn't put it past him to go into children's TV. He is so try hard it is toe curlingly cringe. If I was his wife or daughter I would be mortified!

I'm not disagreeing with you there Wren. There is NO discussion of this outside of these Mumsnet threads. No open dialogue. And it needs to be discussed.

Absolutely @jamoncrumpets I think it really does need addressing sooner rather than later.

Maybe you never know they may read this thread and it might make them think. I hope so!

Well I dunno Wren, tbh. I think they tend to focus on the nasty trivial stuff and ignore the meaty arguments.

The more I see of FOD the more it seems he is an attention seeking narc.

No shit!
I took one brief look at his instagram account just once for all of a minute and this was clear as day

And now this thread will go to shit because of the narc comment...

What is a narc?
To be fair I don't know why people can't have an opinion? There's some Katie Price threads that are horrendous, there's a thread about a woman who thought she was having a private moment on an airbnb and asked advice and she's been called the most dreadful things, I'm gobsmacked by some and yet saying on here that someone is attention seeking or annoying can get a thread pulled. It's so weird.

What a shame certain people have so many followers. This alone will make them think that what they are doing is ok. It gives a false sense of reality. Largely people are nosey it’s like watching a soap almost becomes addictive but step back for a minute and think what am I actually doing ,why am I watching this, by following I am condoning the behaviour. I’ve just seen a picture of one child on the floor distressed with the other stood on her. Now if we look at this the parent has actually thought hang on this is a photo opportunity and either taken their phone or camera out and taken a picture of this scene rather than deal with the situation. They have then put said picture on social media with a long winded caption. What is that about? What a strange odd thing to do. If this was happening in a classroom and the teacher was observing this behaviour and instead of sorting it out stopped to take a photo what would you say? Probably firstly what the hell are you doing? And then a whole list of other things however because these are that persons children some people think that it’s ok.

Atalune- I haven't said at all that I don't think there's a problem with children's privacy. I have said repeatedly that is common sense to have some sort of privacy. They're not my kids on the feeds, though, are they? So nothing to do with me. Parenting decision.

Yes, Sofia, thank you, somebody is able to read properly or at least try to understand. Parenting choice.

Smacking them is also a parenting choice

You're right, run, it is.

I think you'd be hard pushed to say that instagrammers aren't very self involved - hence the "narcissistic" label often given to them.
I think giving people a running commentary about your day (is this what Insta stories are?) and holding a camera to film your or your child's every move/experience is without doubt pretty attention seeking and self involved. These days we like to just say narcissistic though - same thing.

Really agree with you wren. I find being a parent bloody hard work, I certainly don't have time to be filming the tantrums, every walk, every visit to soft play, restaurant whatever. I'm too busy keeping them and myself alive and enjoying the moment.

I can't see anyone disputing it's parent choice. Why should it not be regulated?
My parent choice could be too let my child smoke. It's illegal for the child to buy it but it's not illegal for a child to smoke it.
I don't think it's right for a parent to smoke in a car with children but I see it regularly, even now it's illegal.
But hey parent choice.
Doesn't mean it's not a topic for discussion.

So many decisions parents have to make, RunMummy, alongside whether to smack and overexpose one's offspring on IG.

Leaving the toddler in its cot to nip down to the pub is a parenting choice. Allowing the kids to play on the road is a parenting choice. Popping some whiskey in the baby's bottle as a sleep aid is a parenting choice.

I mean, I wouldn't do those things, but parenting choice.

Sometimes I have recorded an unbelievable tantrum. My son was particularly attached to a certain shop and screamed and lay on the floor crying for it, arms outstretched and legs flailing. I tried to reason with him, move him, talk to him. To no avail. I did video him to show his father because it was frankly amazing. But I did not share it on social media. I dont generally just video and photograph everything, but it's not always odd to do that.

Mumsnet is pretty much ALL about openly discussing parenting choices, right?!

@madamegrizzly I think that's the point, there are so many parenting choices,AIBU is full of discussion surrounding them, whether they are other people's or someone's own, but for some reason discussion on these parenting choices is not allowed.