Would you consider this racist? H&M advert

[BornInSydneyy]

A young black boy wearing a jumper that says -

“Coolest monkey in the jungle”

I genuinely can’t understand how anyone thought that was acceptable.

So.... ? To all of you saying cheeky monkey is not the problem here. It clearly is to @Buck3t**.

I was being facetious. Just as I assumed you were by saying your mother should have her racism checked.*

I would not believe that on Mn. I have been on threads where people have used it to be racist. Being facetious then expecting people to be in on the joke.

I am so over this thread!

Not being offended by the ad does not make someone racist. Just as finding the ad offensive doesn't mean you're overreacting.

Yes, racism is horrible and should be challenged but this ad has been blown out of all proportion.

The black child looked absolutely stunning in the bright green hoodie - regardless of the slogan, I bet that is why the photo was chosen.

Maybe it was a little racially insensitive, but it wasn't done to intentionally offend people of colour.

No more Cheeky monkeys, Please! I am already bloated because of the word. I don't want to explode.

Spirit, who has said the ad was done intentionally to offend. It has offended. It was really poor judgement and very lacking in social awareness, like many are on this thread.

Everyone I’ve seen who has an issue with it is white, which is super weird.

Here's someone, who is clearly white*, having an issue with it

(sarcasm, obviously)

BigBaboon
It was actually black people that enslaved black people - white people bought them, as did black people. But I suppose that doesn’t suit the mood for your post?

Now it's on!

Seriously. Stop spouting crap you know nothing about. Just as a taster. See if youi can answer correctly.

When blacks owned blacks - what was this based on?
When whites owned blacks - what was this based on?

When blacks owned blacks were they still allowed their own names, their own language their own cultures?
When whites owned whites were they still allowed their own names, their own language their own cultures?

When blacks owned blacks did the 1 drop rule count
When whites owned blacks did the 1 drop rule (to this f*cking day still) count?

Simply put blacks owning blacks wasn't based on skin colour, with whites it was. This had a knock on affect to this day.

So, GTFOH (as some people might say) with that crap.

On that note I'm done and gone.

buck

Excellent post

Sorry youve had to virtually 'spell it out'

Humane slavery eh?

And, er, the ‘one drop rule’ was a social and legal code only the USA (not outside), and only in certain states (never a federal law) and has been long abolished (so not in force ‘to this day’).

If you demand that others ‘listen’, at least have the courtesy of getting yer facts right first ;)

Buck3t
on that note I'm gone and done Clearly not done. As there is always one.

@Zara Humane slavery eh? Didn't say that. If I need to spell out slavery is wrong full stop, then I actually do despair for you.

Did I say the one drop rule was law (federal or otherwise)? If I did, I apologise (but I didn't did I?). It 'counts' is what I thought I had said. It counts to this day (well maybe not this day but definitely More than 15 less than 17 years ago when I heard it referred to in good ol' blightly).

I'm sorry that is anecdotal, so not imperial evidence which would count more. But one drop is a thing that is still considered by racists to be okay.

I won't say you are being dismissive on this thread. You are clearly trying to be devil's advocate, good luck in your endeavours.

imperical not imperial but you get it I'm sure

only in certain states (never a federal law) and has been long abolished (so not in force ‘to this day’). Somebody blow my brains. I don't want to remember I read this sentence. Hint, think beyond the law. Not everything in existence has to be written in law.

My fellow white people: if you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the problem

My fellow white people: if you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the problem

The sheer irony of an article defending a TRA - who operates on the same ‘you must listen to me’ principles of the other SJWs on here

You understand that the ‘white people’ who perpetrated the Atlantic slave trade (a minority, most were brutally oppressed due to their class)

Slave traders were not brutally oppressed due to their class! The middle passage was grim, but it paid well. You didn't get to do it as an alternative to working in a factory.

Any white person who is serious about racial equality has to be anti-racist. This requires us to actively acknowledge our privilege, because that privilege – even though we never asked for it – is the very cause of the inequity suffered by others.

We have a choice: be offended, or be part of the solution. But we can’t be both.

Great bits from an excellent article Ponder.

It's not enough to not be racist. We need to be anti-racist.

The point being that ‘white people’ (per se) were not responsible for the Atlantic slave trade, and that most white people in that era had lives defined by exploitation and misery

Just because she is a TRA does not mean she is wrong on other issues. Have you actually read the article?

Yes. An article in the Grauniad by a middle class ‘social change consultant’ attempting to guilt others into ‘acknowledging’ their privilege.

So where does the ‘one drop rule’ appply ‘to this day’, and how does it apply?

Zara The point being that ‘white people’ (per se) were not responsible for the Atlantic slave trade

I'm not responsible for child labour either. But if I knowingly buy products made using child labour, and then profit from it and deny it's even happening and continues to happen and it has an effect on them and their children's lives....

What point are you attempting to make bucket? What would be the equivalent of you buying goods made from child labour?

buck3t

Think you are either going to have to really simplify your point or give up

Its nearly the end of the thread though

So that might be a positive

Agree Rufus.

And thank you ponder, quencher, gilead and others for your articulated and measured posts, it can't have been easy.