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To think we should all just pay 1-2% income tax to help fix the nhs

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Ieatcake · 08/01/2018 07:17

Lots of health professionals are saying it's like a third world country. We need more beds and more money for socialcare. Not many would even notice a tiny tax rise and it would help fix it ASAP.

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londonista · 08/01/2018 17:09

DGRosetti ... quite!

DGRossetti · 08/01/2018 17:11

It's utterly pointless to have a weather report. It's either raining or it's not.

Funnily enough, ordinarily I'd have been in agreement. However, the long-tail warning about Eleanor may have helped save lives in the British Isles by keeping people informed ??????

Also Met Office isn't one of the UKs biggest money-guzzlers.

littlebillie · 08/01/2018 17:11

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/09/revealed-john-mcdonnell-calls-20-per-cent-wealth-tax-richest/
perhaps if they do this all our problems would be solved, apart from the end of free state....

popcorntime1 · 08/01/2018 17:16

Will labour be going after the Philip Greens of the world or the granny in her 1.5m home? People won’t vote for it.

londonista · 08/01/2018 17:21

Honestly who is actually voting Tory these days? Genuine question. Labour or the LibDems could run a dead dog in the election and I'd still not vote Tory.

And that pig-fucker Cameron who's just waltzed off to his pom-tiddly-pom-pom retirement to leave us with the toxic fallout from his failed career.

Fucking hell I need a lie down in a dark room....

Andrewofgg · 08/01/2018 17:23

londonista

More people than voted Labour, that's who.

ginghambox · 08/01/2018 17:26

Honestly who is actually voting Tory these days
More people then vote for comrades Corbyn and Mcdonnell and their pie in the sky bollocks.

londonista · 08/01/2018 17:32

My son in year 5 has to clean his own class room because the school can not afford to replace the cleaner who left last year. We have an Amazon wish list for pencils and paper.

Tory Britain, take a bow.

Rebeccaslicker · 08/01/2018 17:42

Fucking hell mcdonnell and corbyn are a terrifyingly inept pair of dinosaurs. all they would do is encourage the wealthy to leave - and blow all the money they did recover on improving precisely fuck-all and fulfilling small parts of their wild promises until people got fed up and voted the tories back in.

At which point we'd have austerity 2.0 trying to repair the damage.

Shudder. They are the only option that's worse than what we have currently, surely!

Can't we borrow obama? He seems to be the happy medium that might work...

Graphista · 08/01/2018 18:35

"so you'd have more choice and lower cost" BUT not free at point of use - so where does that leave people like me who are disabled unable to work and couldn't afford private healthcare, or the homeless, or those who couldn't get cover - again like me (in addition to physical disability I also have major mh problems).

I also agree with tying trained medics (not just Drs) into working for nhs for a set period post qualification. Not on they're getting free/subsidised training and buffering off to private/emigrating within 5 years.

I thought at the time GP's going self employed was a ridiculous idea. We've lost continuity of care, home visits inc to nursing and care homes (pretty much), provision of many services, ooh care... My gps isn't even open on a wednesday afternoon! Let alone past 530pm or Saturday's and over Xmas and new year it was closed for almost 3 weeks! I dread to think the impact that had on a&e.

And yes basic common sense crap - the central heating for an ENTIRE hospital does NOT need to be on midsummer, especially mid heat-wave! Not only expensive but overheats patients and boosts infection growth - ridiculous!

Londonista - yes our local gum/sti clinic only open one morning and one afternoon a week (separate days) nearest full time one 90 mins away.

Speaking as someone who is officially (just - hopefully shift a bit soon) obese and as a former nurse I'm wary when I see reports of "nhs trust turned me away for surgery because I'm too fat"

A there's usually more to the story

B one of the factors is there are CLINICAL reasons it's not always safe to do certain procedures on obese patients.

RE missed GP appointments - I've been given the wrong information so many times now that to avoid being accused of being an appointment waster I either record the call (with their permission) or make it in person and ask them to write it down and sign it - I started doing this a few months ago, twice already I've been able to prove it was THEM gave me the WRONG date/time. I know they're busy but it's not on to blame patients when it's not the patients fault.

Also if the missed appointments are audited it's often found that it's patients with memory issues, chaotic thinking or there's been good valid reasons (eg in hospital unconscious or actually died). I've also known surgeries make eg screening appointments for patients that have passed, the appointments have been sent to the deceased persons address which is either vacant or occupied by new people - even if they return to sender doesn't always make it in time to avoid a wasted appointment BUT the point is OF ALL people your GP should know if you're dead!!

There's also as pp said the problem of actually GETTING THROUGH to cancel - my GP surgery as I believe many do operate that ridiculous system where advance appointments are only any good for things like repeat prescriptions requiring review because you'll be waiting at least 2 weeks, so instead you're told to call 8am - at which time THE WHOLE WORLD is calling and you can't get through, usually until at least just before 10, so if you had an appointment for say 0830 impossible to cancel. Myself and other patients have suggested a separate phone line, text option, online option - no! They won't spend the money on it - even though it would CLEARLY save money. Bonkers!

Graphista · 08/01/2018 18:38

Just popping this here - wise dude

To think we should all just pay 1-2% income tax to help fix the nhs
Iwanttobe8stoneagain · 08/01/2018 19:56

I half wish Corbyn would win the next election so those who missed the 70s fuck up can experience it all first hand,we can get rid of the second coming of Christ claims and actually have political options that would sort this country out. But the thought of him in number 10
Destroying the economy to Armageddon levels is just too frightening! So let’s get over the Jezza would sort it out comments and look at practical ways we can individually help the nhs by being responsible users of all state funded services.

Andrewofgg · 08/01/2018 20:06

I also agree with tying trained medics (not just Drs) into working for nhs for a set period post qualification. Not on they're getting free/subsidised training and buffering off to private/emigrating within 5 years.

The loss of expensively trained professionals - especially in fact doctors - before 1961 was one of the excuses for building the Berlin Wall. So tell me Graphista - how do you propose to stop them emigrating? Take away their passports?

BetterWithCake · 08/01/2018 20:20

Serious amounts of police and NHS time and money are spent dealing with people who end up in a crisis due due serious long term mental health issues. We need to overhaul the whole MH care provision, including funding. Improvement in MH would take huge pressure off police and the NHS.

isadoradancing123 · 08/01/2018 20:26

Where would the money go? On yet more managers and have you seen the Manchester hospital that has spent £534.000 on a health tourist

Graphista · 08/01/2018 20:49

Andrew - tie them in legally/contractually then if they breach they can be sued for the cost of their training (or at least some of it)

ShellyBoobs · 08/01/2018 20:54

Just popping this here - wise dude

He’s an anti-capitalist, left-winger and political activist.

tenbob · 08/01/2018 20:57

graphista

Haven't NHS bursaries been removed for most university courses now?
So all medical, nursing, midwifery etc students are paying their tuition fees like anyone else

You can't force them into working for the NHS any more than you can force a biology graduate to teach GCSE science for a set number of years!

Graphista · 08/01/2018 21:01

Shelly - like I said - wise dude Wink

Tenbob - the tuition fees don't anywhere NEAR cover the actual cost of training them.

tenbob · 08/01/2018 21:08

But the same is true of lots of degrees, especially sciences

We have a national shortage of science and maths teachers which is having huge consequences in state schools in some parts of the country
Why should science grads not be forced into teaching to pay back their debt to the country, if it's acceptable to do to medics?

What about doctors who decide to have a family after a couple of years of working? Do they get sued for the cost of their training?
People that burn out?
People who want to do research work instead of clinical work?

It's ridiculously unworkable and unfair

calzone · 08/01/2018 22:31

Rosetti......I did say extreme weather would be on the news but think of the weather reporters salaries and clothing budgets and filming and studios etc across each region of the country.

Scoop it all up and give it to the NHS.

Job done.

Kazzyhoward · 09/01/2018 07:54

And that pig-fucker Cameron who's just waltzed off to his pom-tiddly-pom-pom retirement to leave us with the toxic fallout from his failed career.

Just like Brown and Blair then.

Kazzyhoward · 09/01/2018 07:56

I thought at the time GP's going self employed was a ridiculous idea.

They've been self employed since the NHS was formed. It's nothing new. Virtually every GP surgery is a private business and has been for decades.

juliesaway · 09/01/2018 07:57

Bizarre to hear people in uk talking about “no claims bonus” on private health insurance and premiums going up if you use the insurance. With a mixed private and publicly funded system ( as in Oz) insurance premiums are NOT dependent on your claims history. Premiums generally increase with age but are not related to your claims history. There are also private A and E hospitals. So no disincentive to use, if you need it, over fear of rising premiums.

Graphista · 09/01/2018 10:57

Kazzy my bad - yes they've always been self employed in business terms but now they can refuse to provide certain essential services. Work certain hours, which I think is wrong - they're still paid for by the nhs/state they're not a commercial business.

Julie's - unfortunately chances are if the tories get their way it'll be far closer to USA system full of corruption, overcharging and being unable to get emergency care until they see your insurance card Hmm

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