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Should I ask for child to be moved?

115 replies

chmchmchm · 07/01/2018 18:19

Before I start, my instincts here is "no" and that I am being unfair, but want other opinions on what to do.

Going back 5-10 years ago we had an horrific neighbour abuse problem mostly relating to noise. Next door was widowed mother in 60s and son in 30s. Every weekend was disrupted, numerous police visits, drug use, a lifelong noise abatement notice, music equipment confiscated from house etc. etc. My sons were babies at this time.

The guy then left and his mother rented out the property. We then happily went on with our lives. Frequently told friends of what we endured - it was never a secret - and have often wondered if my younger son's attention problems and learning delays were caused by having no sleep and being unsettled from the day he was born. His school and teachers have known what he endured as a baby. These people used to deliberately wake him up and celebrate when they heard him cry. I recall breastfeeding him as a newborn with police in the room monitoring activity.

Fast forward to last September and we find the guy has not only moved back to live in his mother's house, but he has two children the same age, he's starting in the same school and one child has been put in same reception class as my daughter.

We notified the school immediately that these were "the" people. We didn't in a million years expect they'd move back and attend the same school (we live in a large town with dozens of alternatives). For the past three months we've kept our distance, but as I've been going to the school for 7 years, everyone knows who they are before they returned - parents and staff.

I hated the situation, but put up with it. I didn't ask for their child to be moved to a different class as obv. it isn't his fault. Then, just before Christmas the guy followed me home after school drop off, walking an entire road about 2 paces behind me. When we were "alone" he attacked me verbally, shouting and swearing at me that I wasn't to talk about him to anybody. He wouldn't let me past him, physically obstructing me from getting away and chasing me past my gate and into my garden. I pushed him four times to get him away from me - purely on adrenalin that I wasn't going to let him win - even though inside I was pretty much terrified. I told him I would say whatever I wished and there was nothing he could do about it. He threatened his mother (a PT social worker) would make sure my children were taken away from me (?). I phoned the police and he has been given a formal warning. He lied, but thankfully an independent witness came forward.

I decided not to press charges, but now wonder if I've done the right thing. The police have advised to take my phone with me to school every day and ring 999 if he comes anywhere near me, but it's just so impossible at school. I'm scared of walking back from school (other parents have said they'll walk with me) and my stomach churns every time I think of him. Our school has three classes per year group. Should I ask the school to move their child so I at least don't have to deal with them at school assemblies and class parties? It's my daughter's birthday party next month and I don't want to leave this child out, but can't - obviously - invite them. It's a nightmare and I've been ill over Christmas and totally stressed out by it all.

OP posts:
Iamagreyhoundhearmeroar · 07/01/2018 19:01

You can ask for your own child to be moved, the other child is not really your concern.
Why would you attribute your dd's unsettled first weeks in Reception to her being frightened of this child, though? She didn't actually know the backstory until you told her, surely? And you are being unreasonable to imagine your other child's learning difficulties are in any way related to having noisy neighbours.

XiCi · 07/01/2018 19:02

So the house is his mothers? And when all this horrific abuse was going on she was in her 60s and also lived happily in the house with all this noise and didn't intervene? And now in her 70s, she is a social worker and he is threatening that she will take your kids? Is she also back in the house? Can you speak with her about the situation. I be tempted to make a formal complaint to her employer stating you are being threatened she will take your kids because of a family dispute with her son and I would press charges against him.

Grunkalunka · 07/01/2018 19:03

I would see if things settle down and he stops hassling you and you find you can relax a bit again. I'm sure your tension will be felt by your DC even if you are putting a brave face on things.

If any thing further happens I would seriously look into changing schools. It may feel like you are penalising your DD and not standing up to a bully but removing the tension and worry could be the best thing for everyone. The school staff may well be frightened of this man and not want to get involved in the situation.

Sometimes removing yourself from a situation is the best thing to do especially if it looks like things could escalate (you being in the playground might be red rag to him) and get even nastier

Weebo · 07/01/2018 19:05

Yes, why is your daughter frightened of this man to the point of it affecting her settling into school?

Grunkalunka · 07/01/2018 19:06

Sorry OP whilst typing I didn't see the post that you have more DC throughout the school - so very difficult for you to change schools.

Jeannie78 · 07/01/2018 19:06

Is he now living next door to you again?

Grunkalunka · 07/01/2018 19:07

Is he your next door neighbour again?? Could you move house?

Snowysky20009 · 07/01/2018 19:08

I agree you can not ask for the child to be moved, and if you did would you want to deal with the fall out of that?

SkyIsTooHigh · 07/01/2018 19:09

The best way to reassure your own children is to press charges, get a restraining order or whatever else you can do through official channels, so it's not just you vs him in a dark alley. This would also make it easier for school to help keep you apart.

I would personally invite fewer children to your DD's party rather than leave out just this child.

chickenowner · 07/01/2018 19:09

Can I just ask - I can't stop wondering...

Why did you not move house? You say that the man and his friends would celebrate when they woke up your baby, this seems very extreme bullying behaviour to me. You also say that you think lack of sleep has had a profound and significant affect on your child/children long term.

Surely you at least considered moving house to get away from this situation?

Iamagreyhoundhearmeroar · 07/01/2018 19:12

Agree with Chicken, while everyone you know, including your children's teachers were "living through this with you", did nobody at any point wonder why on earth you didn't actually move?

chmchmchm · 07/01/2018 19:13

Need to make a few things clear. I have three children in this school and I know a lot of parents - in all years. I have staff who are friends. Yes, a lot of people know, because a lot of people lived through this with me. BUT they knew before my youngest child was born and before he had kids AND well before September.

My younger son's problems have been freely talked about BEFORE September. Friends in his year group (and my oldest son's) knew me at the time it was happening. There was no reason not to speak as at the time they a) didn't have children and b) live the other end of the country.

Teachers and TAs have known because it has been discussed as a factor in my sons' problems - by professionals, not me. My younger son in particular never learned to settle, and was disturbed routinely from 0-2.

I know there's always one in these threads, but just wanted to clarify.

OP posts:
Weebo · 07/01/2018 19:15

I think there are a few people questioning the situation to be fair, not just one.

JaneyEJones · 07/01/2018 19:16

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greendale17 · 07/01/2018 19:16

Unless you press charges against this man the situation will get worse and you won’t be taken seriously by anyone.

prettypaws · 07/01/2018 19:17

We had nightmare neighbours and i'm so glad we moved, i should have done it sooner. Our DC childhood is too valuable to have them exposed to this.

You endured antisocial behaviour from your neighbours at the weekends, they moved out and you moved on happily but continued to frequently tell people about it Hmm It sounds like you needed some counselling. The adult son had left the area but you continued to whinge about it to school teachers?! To think your child developed SN because of them and then take no action but talk about it for '5-10 years' is a bit precious. After they moved you felt the need to continue to blame things on them because of your resentment. Where is your responsibility in this?

If it's so relentlessly bad that it's causing severe problems for your children you move. If you're in danger then you press charges. What do you achieve by gossiping and slagging them off to everyone who'll listen? The man is a bully so i would not expect his responses to be reasonable so take action to protect your own family. Being in the same year group at the same school and living next door will always mean there is some level of contact unless you do something.

I can't imagine that being a SW and taking drugs and being under police surveillence went down very well.

MrMeSeeks · 07/01/2018 19:17

Is it too late to press charges?
I would do it in a heartbeat.
I also would invite the whole class and leave his child out, not the childs fault however its the dads fault his child will suffer.
Id also contact ss and tell them that what he is threatening.
( incase any reports are made in the future)

HermioneAndMsJones · 07/01/2018 19:19

If he does attack you again, please call 999 as the police advised you AND pressed charges.

If this guy actually spend years making all miserable and waking a newborn/making him cry in purpose, I would assume he won’t take the compassionate route and think ‘oh poor them. I get what they had to endure and I’ll leave them alone’.

I would also let the school know about the incident, not least because this could be an issue with your dd (eg at pick up time or with his own ds depending what he telling his child).

WhooooAmI24601 · 07/01/2018 19:19

Why should OP have moved? Why should she be the one held to ransom for the fact that an utter shithead lived next door? Are we genuinely blaming OP for not having left her own home? Surely the person at fault here is the prick who decided to behave like that and then assault OP?

I'm assuming when OP says people know it's because she spoke openly about it. Again, why should she not have done that? Is being terrorised by neighbours something she should have kept to herself? She's here for support and advice not a pasting.

chmchmchm · 07/01/2018 19:20

We had our house up for sale for a year - despite LOVING our house - and didn't sell. We obviously stopped trying to move when they rented out their property.

OP posts:
Allthewaves · 07/01/2018 19:21

Sorry I was thinking exactly the same as the always one person as you call them. Is no one else allowed to have an alternative opinion without being belittled by you.

HermioneAndMsJones · 07/01/2018 19:22

May I point out to some posters that the OP child is in reception so 4~5yo.
Said child has endured the noise and repeated wakings etc until they wee at least 2yo so these people will have left the area only 3 years ago MAX.

However, if they have being the NDN off hell for 5 years this all started more than 8 years ago??

Does the timing make more sense in that way?

So not spending 10 years talking about it AFTERWARDS but talking about it for the 5 years IT LASTED.

MuddlingMackem · 07/01/2018 19:24

@chickenowner, @Iamagreyhoundhearmeroar, just move? 'Cos you would both, like, totally want to buy a house next to neighbours like that, right? Hmm

Weebo · 07/01/2018 19:31

OP's daughter is in reception, not the son who was bothered by the noise.

chickenowner · 07/01/2018 19:35

I asked if the OP had considered moving Muddling as this hadn't been mentioned as an option in the original post.

I didn't know if the OP owned or rented. If they rented then moving would obviously be easier. But people with nightmare neighbours do move house.

But thank you for pulling me up on my ridiculous question. Confused