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AIBU?

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DH wants to move house and I don’t

102 replies

CauliflowerBalti · 04/01/2018 16:37

I earn much more than my husband, and get an annual sizeable bonus. I lived alone with my son for 7 years after my first marriage broke up. In the early years, money was horrible after I went from living beyond the means of two incomes to living on one. But then I earned more, started my own business, and things became comfortable.

Now I’m married again. My husband contributes less because he earns less. This is at my instigation. It’s all cool. I don’t think about money or who pays for what ordinarily. I pay for pretty much everything - I don’t mind. I have enough. I don’t have to worry.

But my husband wants to move house and double our mortgage. He just gave me a spreadsheet to prove we can afford it. And we can. But I don’t want to. We have savings that we could use - my last bonus - to completely overhaul this one, add a bedroom, open out the ground floor. We can do this, or we can use it as a deposit on somewhere else and double our mortgage on a monthly basis.

The latter makes no sense to me. Even though we can afford it. I want to renovate.

My husband says I’m thinking like a single woman, that we should use our money to build something, that we’re selling ourselves short living in the area that we do, that he bets my business partners have bigger/better houses. He says our house is a shithole.

And he’s right. It is. But it’s a shithole I’m damn proud of having kept afloat while I was on my own with eye watering debt. His words hurt me.

But I can see from his point of view that it isn’t HIS house. He isn’t on the mortgage, I chose this house and lived in it with my ex. I’ve no problem putting him on the mortgage. It’s not about what’s mine and what’s his. Who earned it or paid for it. ‘My’ money pays for all sorts, for US.

But he thinks I’m unreasonable not wanting to double the mortgage. And I think he’s unreasonable expecting me to, just because we can. I’d far rather do this place up and know it’s paid off in 12 years, than take out a bigger 20 year mortgage. My business might be booming in 5 years and I can take enough to buy a place outright. Or it might go to shit and I lose everything. I feel comfortable living to a level where if one of us dies or is ill or can’t work, the other can carry the can for a bit. He sees this as code for the marriage breaking up. It isn’t. But having been on my own, it genuinely makes sense to me to keep overheads down.

I’m not tight. I like having nice holidays and not having to think about paying for a nice meal, ordering the nice wine. He says I piss money up the wall though, what do we have to show for it? He has done a spreadsheet of my outgoings to prove we could still do this and he’s right. We could.

I can’t see the point in it though. For 8 more years on the mortgage and double costs, we’d get a slightly bigger garden and maybe an extra bedroom - so, a 4 bed. But after renovations here, we’d have 3 beds and we only need 2. Don’t get me wrong, this place isn’t fit for purpose right now. But after an extension and a loft conversion that I can pay cash for tomorrow (as in, I don’t have to save, not dodgy VAT avoidance!) it will be.

And I see things like the bills and the mortgage as tedium. They’re not what I work for. I work for the meals and the weekends away - and crucially for someone who has been in debt and had to budget carefully - just not having to worry about money. That to me is a gift.

I don’t get why we’d stretch things unnecessarily. But my dh is furious with me, not least because he knows it’s ‘my’ income that will seal the mortgage deal.

I hope I haven’t portrayed him as grabby. He really isn’t. AIBU?

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AhJaysus · 04/01/2018 16:40

Nope. Don't do it. He sounds very grabby by the way.

mustbemad17 · 04/01/2018 16:41

I can see it exactly from where you stand. As a single mum I want to think long term, because i don't ever want to be in a position where i struggle. For me, your plan to extend etc & have the mortgage paid off quicker makes more sense. His comment about your business partners having bigger houses suggests to me this is more about appearances tbh

jay55 · 04/01/2018 16:42

Is there some middle ground? I’d not want to live in the house my partner’s ex lived in.

HappyintheHills · 04/01/2018 16:42

He seems more concerned with keeping up with the Joneses than with your comfort.
Could you make the improvements then see how you feel?

SciFiFan2015 · 04/01/2018 16:43

I think that staying put is the better idea. God! I'd love it if my mortgage would be paid off in 8 years (and I definitely wouldn't more than double that to 12!) anything could happen (brexit, illness, accident, business could fail). I'd rather not risk it. Could you find a compromise?

CottonSock · 04/01/2018 16:44

Sounds like you both need to find middle ground

Zaphodsotherhead · 04/01/2018 16:44

Can you move somewhere else that doesn't involve doubling the mortgage? ie, a nicer house, somewhat more expensive but not involving the eye-watering debt? What would he say to that? Because if it's mainly the issue of living in your (and your ex's) old house, he should be content to move location. If he's grabby with an eye to a show-offy pad on the back of your hard work, he won't.

Oly5 · 04/01/2018 16:45

I don’t think you’re being unreasonable. Me and DH were all b the same position except he’s the big earner. I wanted to move and double the mortgage, he didn’t. In the end we did move to a doer upper that will cost us way less overall than what I originally wanted. This was our compromise.
Since then, my DH changed jobs to a start up and it’s far less lucrative than we thought. I’m so glad we don’t have that huge mortgage now!
Stay where you are.
Don’t let him tell you you should have x y or z just because other people are up their eyeballs in debt

CauliflowerBalti · 04/01/2018 16:45

I don’t know what the compromise would be. We could move to a house similarly priced I guess, so there isn’t the ‘ex husband’ shadow on this one. My ex still visits every fortnight, to collect/drop off my son. Our relationship is amicable, even friendly - but this makes my husband feel weird, especially in this house.

I do get that.

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PotteringAlong · 04/01/2018 16:46

my DH and I have just had the exact same conversation. We both agreed to stay living where we are. The house we saw was gorgeous, but not more gorgeous than no worries and taking the kids to Disneyland. I’m with you.

Snowysky2000 · 04/01/2018 16:48

I think it may be a lot to do with the fact it was yours and your ex's home- now he wants something that is yours together.

CauliflowerBalti · 04/01/2018 16:48

The problem (if you can call it that) is my mortgage deal is outstanding at the moment, and the amount I owe not that big. Any move at all would trigger a big increase in payment because I can only port the mortgage on the outstanding sum.

It’s not like we’re moving from a pig pen to a palace. For context, we live in a large 2 bed semi worth £125k and are looking at 4 beds worth £250k.

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CauliflowerBalti · 04/01/2018 16:49

I can see these aren’t huge sums.

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amusedbush · 04/01/2018 16:50

I wouldn't do it. Anything could happen and it would be wiser to pay off your current house and enjoy the free cash than to massively increase your payments for no real reason.

mickeysminnie · 04/01/2018 16:52

Would both of you be on the new mortgage or just you?
Could you set a time limit to trial how you would live with the higher mortgage payments. I would say 8-12 months. Put the extra 'mortgage' payment into a seperate savings account and then see how much adjustments you would BOTH have to make.
After the trial period you will gave a good idea of how hard/easy the extra payments would be plus some extra savings set aside.

CauliflowerBalti · 04/01/2018 16:53

PotteringAlong that is exactly it for me. I’d rather be a more determined hoarder and find £20k had amassed at the end of the year, so let’s do the Northern Lights AND buy a caravan!

I like liquidity and freedom. My husband likes order and things to be fixed.

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starbrightnight · 04/01/2018 16:54

I can understand him wanting to find a home together that you have both chosen together that wasn't the house you lived in with your ex, but that doesn't appear to be part of his reasoning.

His reasons do seem to be more for appearances, keeping up with the Jones's etc, so I think you should definitely stay where you are as that's where you want to be. Extending sounds a good idea and your reasons are very sensible and completely valid. In the past you endured and overcame the awful problems of debt and trying to get by and you quite understandably want to avoid that ever happening again. A move sounds far too risky and your head as well as your heart are shouting 'don't do it!'.

I hope he listens to your reasoned arguments and sees that moving would be fraught with risk and ongoing worry.

CauliflowerBalti · 04/01/2018 16:55

mickeysminnie We would both be on the mortgage and my DH has just demonstrated it wouldn’t have a massive impact. He’s right. It wouldn’t.

I don’t want you to think he’s trying to force something through that is unrealistic or unachievable. It isn’t. I just don’t see why anyone WOULD.

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NC4now · 04/01/2018 16:55

I can understand why he doesn’t want to live in the house you bought with your ex and wants a new place that is yours together.
I can also understand your reluctance to double the mortgage. And describing your home as a shithole is hurtful.
Could you move to a new place without doubling the mortgage?

evilharpy · 04/01/2018 16:57

We have a similar situation but the other way round and without the ex. Husband earns more than me. We have an ok sized house but with communal parking that drives me mad, a crap garden and no scope for extending and lots of little things about it are extremely annoying. It also needs money spent on it like new windows and new boiler. However the mortgage is very reasonable and will have it paid off a few years early, before we're 50.

We could move to a nicer house but we'd need to nearly double our current mortgage to get a nice enough house to make it worthwhile (very little middle ground where we live) and it probably wouldn't be paid off till we were near retirement age.

Figrollsnotfatrolls · 04/01/2018 16:58

If I was you (I am a suspicious bitch) I would be thinking where would moving /getting into more debt - leave me if I ended up on my own again -

Appuskidu · 04/01/2018 16:58

It seems like he wants to use your large salary to improve his lot!

I totally understand why you don’t want to -it’s your security and it’s sad that after knowing your precious situation, he wants to take that future security away from you in order to enable him to keep up with the Joneses.

It’s rather crap that he is furious with you though :(

MiniCooperLover · 04/01/2018 16:58

His reasons for it feel a bit shallow. What would he say if you agreed to move but only to a house of equal value as now?

BewareOfTheToddler · 04/01/2018 16:59

I can actually see both sides of this but ultimately YANBU and I have to say, although he may not be grabby, he does sound it. It sounds as though you have quite different attitudes towards money as well?

I think it can be very difficult to move into someone else's house. When DP and I first got together, I had just bought a flat. He was quite scathing about it later on in our relationship - he didn't like the area, for starters - but he ended up moving in with me because it made financial sense to.

We outgrew the flat and spent some time deliberating about where we should move to; he was adamant that he wanted us to move out of London. I could see both sides and would have considered staying in the area but that wasn't acceptable to DP. I decided that as he had made more of the compromises in the past few years, we'd go with his view on location.

Ultimately, we ended up in a totally different house from what DP thought he wanted though (my kind of house Grin) and he loves it. It was definitely a joint decision, and we have a joint mortgage although I put down the bulk of the deposit (a significant sum, thanks to the flat I owned having gone up in value).

Basically, I may have conceded to DP on area but the house itself needed to be a joint decision - and we did need more space so had sound reasons for moving. It sounds as though your situation is different.

Would a move to a similar sized property in a nicer area that you both agree on be an option? Or would that just not make any financial sense?

Does your DP have any sense of "vision", ie is he struggling to visualise what your current home could be like after renovations? Mine is virtually incapable of imagining how a house could be different whereas I find it quite easy to visualise the changes you could make. I had to do some fast talking around our current house to get him to see that it was an unextended version of another house we'd both really liked, which he just couldn't "see" until I explained in words of one syllable how we could change it.

donajimena · 04/01/2018 17:00

The thing is you refurb your house it would have his stamp on it!
No way would I double my mortgage if I was nearing financial freedom.
I wouldn't move either. But then I value experiences over 'things' .