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DH wants to move house and I don’t

102 replies

CauliflowerBalti · 04/01/2018 16:37

I earn much more than my husband, and get an annual sizeable bonus. I lived alone with my son for 7 years after my first marriage broke up. In the early years, money was horrible after I went from living beyond the means of two incomes to living on one. But then I earned more, started my own business, and things became comfortable.

Now I’m married again. My husband contributes less because he earns less. This is at my instigation. It’s all cool. I don’t think about money or who pays for what ordinarily. I pay for pretty much everything - I don’t mind. I have enough. I don’t have to worry.

But my husband wants to move house and double our mortgage. He just gave me a spreadsheet to prove we can afford it. And we can. But I don’t want to. We have savings that we could use - my last bonus - to completely overhaul this one, add a bedroom, open out the ground floor. We can do this, or we can use it as a deposit on somewhere else and double our mortgage on a monthly basis.

The latter makes no sense to me. Even though we can afford it. I want to renovate.

My husband says I’m thinking like a single woman, that we should use our money to build something, that we’re selling ourselves short living in the area that we do, that he bets my business partners have bigger/better houses. He says our house is a shithole.

And he’s right. It is. But it’s a shithole I’m damn proud of having kept afloat while I was on my own with eye watering debt. His words hurt me.

But I can see from his point of view that it isn’t HIS house. He isn’t on the mortgage, I chose this house and lived in it with my ex. I’ve no problem putting him on the mortgage. It’s not about what’s mine and what’s his. Who earned it or paid for it. ‘My’ money pays for all sorts, for US.

But he thinks I’m unreasonable not wanting to double the mortgage. And I think he’s unreasonable expecting me to, just because we can. I’d far rather do this place up and know it’s paid off in 12 years, than take out a bigger 20 year mortgage. My business might be booming in 5 years and I can take enough to buy a place outright. Or it might go to shit and I lose everything. I feel comfortable living to a level where if one of us dies or is ill or can’t work, the other can carry the can for a bit. He sees this as code for the marriage breaking up. It isn’t. But having been on my own, it genuinely makes sense to me to keep overheads down.

I’m not tight. I like having nice holidays and not having to think about paying for a nice meal, ordering the nice wine. He says I piss money up the wall though, what do we have to show for it? He has done a spreadsheet of my outgoings to prove we could still do this and he’s right. We could.

I can’t see the point in it though. For 8 more years on the mortgage and double costs, we’d get a slightly bigger garden and maybe an extra bedroom - so, a 4 bed. But after renovations here, we’d have 3 beds and we only need 2. Don’t get me wrong, this place isn’t fit for purpose right now. But after an extension and a loft conversion that I can pay cash for tomorrow (as in, I don’t have to save, not dodgy VAT avoidance!) it will be.

And I see things like the bills and the mortgage as tedium. They’re not what I work for. I work for the meals and the weekends away - and crucially for someone who has been in debt and had to budget carefully - just not having to worry about money. That to me is a gift.

I don’t get why we’d stretch things unnecessarily. But my dh is furious with me, not least because he knows it’s ‘my’ income that will seal the mortgage deal.

I hope I haven’t portrayed him as grabby. He really isn’t. AIBU?

OP posts:
Appuskidu · 04/01/2018 17:00

Why is your house such a shit hole? Can’t you spend oe of your bonus making it beautiful?!

CauliflowerBalti · 04/01/2018 17:03

House is a shithole for lots of reasons, mostly apathy. At first I couldn’t afford it, now I’m too busy to do anything about it. But the money in the savings account would cover 90% of an extension, loft conversion and decorating the rest. It’s solidly built with a new boiler. Mostly decor stuff needs doing, plus a couple of new windows.

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FluffyWuffy100 · 04/01/2018 17:03

If you can extend and renovate AND still pay off your mortgage soon it will give you soooooooooo much more flexibility and comfort.

Much more sensible to save for retirement, rainy day and also have more spare cash to spend on nice holidays etc IMO.

Not that I have taken my own advice, I've got a fucking massive mortgage and its still in a shit area.

CauliflowerBalti · 04/01/2018 17:04

I have plans for the extension drawn up, costed and ready to go. It’s not pie in the sky...

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MotheringMilly · 04/01/2018 17:04

I can understand him not feeling like his house as you lived in it with your ex but then he got with you and moved in there, what has changed!?

I think like the others have said, maybe there is some middle ground. Would you consider moving house to one of a similar value? That way it is a house you have both chosen. If you can renovate the house then let him help with that and put his stamp on it.

You say you don’t think about money but you should, you’ve worked hard by the sound of things, he’s certainly thinking about your money and this would personally really set alarms bells ringing.

Sorry to sound patronizing but your priority is your son and his future, I’d simply say you’re not going to mortgage yourself up to the eyeballs, I’m happy to renovate or consider moving to a better house of similar value but after that my financial priority is to be able to set my son up on the property ladder or put him through uni when the time comes.

mickeysminnie · 04/01/2018 17:07

Would the cost of the conversion and decorating add an equivalent amount to the value of the house?

PricillaQueenOfTheDesert · 04/01/2018 17:07

Just tell him you don’t want to move, you don’t need to move and you like it where you are.
Does he have any reason to want to move? I hate where I live with my husband because it’s the house he chose with his first wife shortly before her death, he doesn’t understand why I want to move from what her perceives as a lovely Home.

MonumentalAlabaster · 04/01/2018 17:07

I think you sound incredibly sensible in your reluctance to take on extra unnecessary debt

WhataLovelyPear · 04/01/2018 17:09

I would be the same as you. Luckily DH would too! I can see that he might be feeling insecure if the house isn't in his name, and moving would change that, but as pp have pointed out, he hasn't given this as the reason. It does sound a bit like he just wants a nicer life and wants you to pay for it.
It might be worth digging a bit deeper and seeing if it is really about him being on the deeds/mortgage really. It might not realise it himself, even, and may just see a bigger house as the answer to his general disatisfaction.
My ex was pretty good at wanting things and coming up with good reasons why they were important, then when he'd got what he wanted there was always something else. After he left I realised he was fundamentally unhappy with his life, and all the stuff he "needed" was actually him trying to fix it.

rothbury · 04/01/2018 17:09

Well it's tricky as you are married anyway so whose name is on mortgage is irrelevant.

Could you call Phil and Kirsty?

No? Ok, then can you renovate according to your original plans - involve him so that he is part of the design team. It should then feel like a whole new house and maybe he won't feel so odd about it. If he still does then maybe say you will move to a similar priced home when your current mortgage deal expires?

I cannot see the point of moving and losing the good deal. And if you need the flexibility and liquidity then it makes much more sense to keep outgoings low. As you say, none of us knows what is around the corner.

And yes, he does sound a bit like he wants to keep up with the Joneses. Not an attractive quality.

PoshPenny · 04/01/2018 17:11

Have you done the maths with the estate agents on what your house is worth now as it is, and what it would be worth with all the proposed works done? Do the figures stack up? If not, then with your business woman hat on, maybe you would be better looking to move elsewhere rather than doing up your current house. I understand your reasons for staying put, but I do wonder - back in the day when almost all the woman stayed at home and didn't work, or had a "little job" and the men were the main earners of the household, how many of those women earning less instigated the house moves? I would think many house moves came about that way.

Fossie · 04/01/2018 17:13

Another vote for Phil and Kirsty! Love it or list it on channel 4.

Viviennemary · 04/01/2018 17:14

If you as the higher earner are going to be responsible for paying the bulk of the mortgage then you should have the final say whether or not to greatly increase the mortgage as you'll be the one paying it. Say no.

YellowMakesMeSmile · 04/01/2018 17:15

I think the replies would have been very different if the salaries were reversed. Women are told its household income and they have a joint say Hmm

I can't see the point in doubling the mortgage though unless you planned to have a few more children but can see why he'd want to move given your ex lived in the house.

The mortgage name is irrelevant, in the event of a split it's a joint asset as would savings.

Confusedbeetle · 04/01/2018 17:19

This is not the time to be doubling a mortgage. We have a few tricky times to manoevre economically

Cindie943811A · 04/01/2018 17:21

I’m also a wee bit suspicious. Your DH is happily spending your money whihill leave you with discretionary spending money, even though it doesn’t make good economic sense.
Tell him you feel uncomfortable about moving because you don’t know what the future holds (Brexit, and all that) and you want to enjoy leisure activities with him and your son while the lad is still young and living at home. You are not saying “no” forever but just until the mortgage is paid off.Get him involved in renovation decisions.
Good luck

MairzyDoats · 04/01/2018 17:27

Once you've done the renovations presumably the house value will have increased... Can you ask him to hang on until it's done (and get him heavily involved in the decision making process) and then perhaps he will change his mind as it becomes more 'his' and also realises how much more pleasant it is?

ShellyBoobs · 04/01/2018 17:32

Have you done the full numbers for an extension and loft conversion, that you say you have cash to hand to pay for outright?

I would have guessed that could easily cost £70k (loft conversations are always expensive to do properly) so not sure how the maths works if it would double your mortgage to move to another house for £125k more but the cash is there to fund a big project instead?

I’m not in anyway doubting you - you must have your head screwed on firmly to be in the position you’re in - but just wondering about the extension costs.

SilverySurfer · 04/01/2018 17:33

He says it's a shithole but obviously not too much of one to happily live in it for free. I wouldn't move if I were you - make the planned changes to your current house.

If after that I had a few thousand pounds to spare I would do something completely different, like buy a plot of woodland. It preserves countryside for the future and I think it would be lovely to own and maintain such a plot. Price depends where you live, of course, just like houses. Here's one link I googled: www.woodlands.co.uk/

Good luck OP.

Lashalicious · 04/01/2018 17:33

Even though I am more like your husband and would be interested in moving to a new/nicer house because I enjoy looking at houses and am excited by that kind of thing, I am 100% in agreement with you, that it sounds a big change to double your mortgage and it is your money. I would tell him no, but to compromise, tell him you both can continue saving and perhaps in a few years can move.

Lashalicious · 04/01/2018 17:35

It sounds like he’s found a house he likes and is trying to persuade you before it “gets away.” I’ve done that before to my dh. The truth is, you are the voice of reason in the relationship and probably should wait until you both have saved up more so that if you do move, it won’t be such a dent in your income.

TheDevilMadeMeDoIt · 04/01/2018 17:36

I think the replies would have been very different if the salaries were reversed. Women are told its household income and they have a joint say

But this isn't a joint say. There wouldn't be a problem if it was a discussion with possible compromises. As it stands this is the husband doing all the sums to prove that what he wants is affordable on the OP's income, and with the OP cutting back on her spending. What is he going to do to make it more affordable without putting the whole burden on OP?

I suggest talking to him about buying somewhere else but with no or very little extra mortgage. So as a house it's a fresh start for the marriage, but without taking on huge extra commitments. Then I'd base my next move based on his reaction to that idea. If it has to be the full works for him, then I'd be questioning his motives.

MotheringMilly · 04/01/2018 17:37

Sorry the house is your asset that you acquired before you were married, you have a son, i don't see any judge automatically awarding DH half of this, possibly a share of the value increase.

Also i'd suspicious of any partner that was happy to kick back and spend the others money if they weren't contributing equally. He say's you p*ss money up the wall but he's happy to double your mortgage and potentially put you and your sons financial security at risk!

StormTreader · 04/01/2018 17:38

I have to admit, I'm naturally suspicious.

With that disclaimer done, the tone I am getting from your description is that he is looking at your wage coming in that you are already paying more than half the bills with and thinking "the rest of that isnt really benefiting me much, she should be spending that buying a large house that I would own half of". This is mostly due to your comment that "He says I piss money up the wall though, what do we have to show for it? " whereas you say you spend on nice wine and holidays - you are spending on things that are important to you, whereas he is seeing it as investment money being wasted.

I suspect that he would not be happy if you said "if we get the bigger house, your contribution would need to go up substantially".

RandomMess · 04/01/2018 17:40

I too think you should be open to compromise. Tell him to look for something that costs up to £185k and you will consider it but you aren't willing to double the mortgage with interest rates in the increase etc.

How it goes from there on will tell you an awful lot.