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DH wants to move house and I don’t

102 replies

CauliflowerBalti · 04/01/2018 16:37

I earn much more than my husband, and get an annual sizeable bonus. I lived alone with my son for 7 years after my first marriage broke up. In the early years, money was horrible after I went from living beyond the means of two incomes to living on one. But then I earned more, started my own business, and things became comfortable.

Now I’m married again. My husband contributes less because he earns less. This is at my instigation. It’s all cool. I don’t think about money or who pays for what ordinarily. I pay for pretty much everything - I don’t mind. I have enough. I don’t have to worry.

But my husband wants to move house and double our mortgage. He just gave me a spreadsheet to prove we can afford it. And we can. But I don’t want to. We have savings that we could use - my last bonus - to completely overhaul this one, add a bedroom, open out the ground floor. We can do this, or we can use it as a deposit on somewhere else and double our mortgage on a monthly basis.

The latter makes no sense to me. Even though we can afford it. I want to renovate.

My husband says I’m thinking like a single woman, that we should use our money to build something, that we’re selling ourselves short living in the area that we do, that he bets my business partners have bigger/better houses. He says our house is a shithole.

And he’s right. It is. But it’s a shithole I’m damn proud of having kept afloat while I was on my own with eye watering debt. His words hurt me.

But I can see from his point of view that it isn’t HIS house. He isn’t on the mortgage, I chose this house and lived in it with my ex. I’ve no problem putting him on the mortgage. It’s not about what’s mine and what’s his. Who earned it or paid for it. ‘My’ money pays for all sorts, for US.

But he thinks I’m unreasonable not wanting to double the mortgage. And I think he’s unreasonable expecting me to, just because we can. I’d far rather do this place up and know it’s paid off in 12 years, than take out a bigger 20 year mortgage. My business might be booming in 5 years and I can take enough to buy a place outright. Or it might go to shit and I lose everything. I feel comfortable living to a level where if one of us dies or is ill or can’t work, the other can carry the can for a bit. He sees this as code for the marriage breaking up. It isn’t. But having been on my own, it genuinely makes sense to me to keep overheads down.

I’m not tight. I like having nice holidays and not having to think about paying for a nice meal, ordering the nice wine. He says I piss money up the wall though, what do we have to show for it? He has done a spreadsheet of my outgoings to prove we could still do this and he’s right. We could.

I can’t see the point in it though. For 8 more years on the mortgage and double costs, we’d get a slightly bigger garden and maybe an extra bedroom - so, a 4 bed. But after renovations here, we’d have 3 beds and we only need 2. Don’t get me wrong, this place isn’t fit for purpose right now. But after an extension and a loft conversion that I can pay cash for tomorrow (as in, I don’t have to save, not dodgy VAT avoidance!) it will be.

And I see things like the bills and the mortgage as tedium. They’re not what I work for. I work for the meals and the weekends away - and crucially for someone who has been in debt and had to budget carefully - just not having to worry about money. That to me is a gift.

I don’t get why we’d stretch things unnecessarily. But my dh is furious with me, not least because he knows it’s ‘my’ income that will seal the mortgage deal.

I hope I haven’t portrayed him as grabby. He really isn’t. AIBU?

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Flyingflipflop · 04/01/2018 17:41

He says it's a shithole but obviously not too much of one to happily live in it for free.

Hold on. He’s part of a married couple. He also pays his a proportional amount of his salary into the household. Would you accuse many of the women in similar situations of being freeloaders?

Arrietty123 · 04/01/2018 17:41

Do up the house and sell it on. Then buy your own house together if he's still bothered by it. Being mortgage free would be amazing though. Your plans for your house sound lovely and totally make sense.

OllyBJolly · 04/01/2018 17:42

I can see both sides here - and I have a similar story to you. I was a skint single parent for so long that debt was the only way I could survive with childcare costs on top of the bills. There's very little better than knowing that your card won't be declined when you come to pay (used to be russian roulette for me at checkouts!).

We live in what was "my" house although I never lived here with X. I do feel things would be more "equal" if DH and I had chosen and bought a house together. This is mine, and my children will inherit it. (DH has life rent). DH isn't bothered and the past few years have brought other priorities.

I would have a serious discussion about finding a new home you're both happy weighed up against renovating your current place. Not easy.

GoReylo · 04/01/2018 17:43

And what is he personally doing to improve his surroundings? Is he working towards a promotion? Does he take on overtime or look for better paying work? If he is the "work to live" type yet wants to dictate how your money should be spent, I think it's the time to start protecting your finances from him.

YellowMakesMeSmile Actually I think people would say similar things, if not more severe, if the circumstances were reversed and a woman had moved in with a wealthier partner and his son, contributed little to the household, yet was demanding a bigger house. How do you see that fictional woman getting sympathy and agreement?

HolyShet · 04/01/2018 17:48

I wouldn't want to extend my mortgage by 8 years. No way.

Does the spreadsheet prove it is manageable only with the 8 years added? Would your renovation option make sense financially in terms of value of the house, or is part of the problem the area?

To make a decision you need a range of options.

I think you need to look around and see if there are properties you both like under £200k that might cost a bit more month by month within the same lifespan of mortgage.

Re wanting a fresh start, I kind of see his point

Re calling your home a "shithole" I think he is being hurtful and insensitive at best. What is he doing to make it a place he'd like to live?

ThinkOfAWittyNameLater · 04/01/2018 17:52

Surely the compromise is to go ahead with renovating your current home and then reassessing the situation?

Your husband may find he likes the house more after the work has been done. And you might feel better for having gone ahead with the plans you made for this house.

Your extension plans are likely to increase the value of the house by more than you spend so the mortgage on a new place would potentially be smaller...

NC4now · 04/01/2018 17:54

The money you have put aside for renovation must be a fair chunk.
What could you buy if you added that to the existing mortgage and equity? Something a bit better and ‘yours’?

caringcarer · 04/01/2018 17:54

Knowing in the past you really had to struggle to keep your home and that you had all the worry of your son on your own he is being incredibly selfish to suggest you take on double the mortgage. If you did this and put all your equity in a new house with both names on mortgage deeds and in a few years broke up he would most likely gain half. You would be better off paying out to have your house made nicer especially as you already have a spare room. Let him help with renovation plans. He has no right to spend your money and drag you into having too work to survive. What if you wanted to give up work? It does not sound as if he can afford mortgage on his money. He is putting his wants above your son and your needs.

ftw · 04/01/2018 17:56

We’re thinking of upsizing but have put it on hold til we have a bit more clue where Brexit might lead. We might see rampant inflation, huge interest rate rises, job losses, dropping house values etc yet.

I think in uncertain times, it’s not unreasonable to try and make yourselves secure as a priority.

To that end, I’d probably do something like do up the house without building the extension (so it’s nice to live in but also easily sellable), try putting the extra mortgage money aside for a year or so and see how it feels.

CauliflowerBalti · 04/01/2018 17:56

ShellyBoobs - the extension is tiny and my dad is a builder - you’re right, the expense is in the loft extension, but mine is straightforward in terms of access point etc, so it’s not as horrid as it could be.

Someone suggested he’s a freeloader - he honestly isn’t. He’d give every spare penny to do it. That isn’t the issue. His or my money really is irrelevant, if I think about it. If the money was 50:50, I’d still prefer to extend, because it makes more sense to me.

I hadn’t really considered the value of this place post-renovation. Probably because I’m just set on STAYING. But whoever mentioned it is right. I’m fairly confident that the money would add either the same in value or more, in which case it may as well be improving things here as sat in the bank earning nothing. That’s a good line of enquiry.

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JudgementalSquirrel · 04/01/2018 17:58

I see where you are coming from. We live in a semi detached 3 bed. I love it. Mortgage is paid off. Its ex council, on a council estate. First house I have ever bought. We also run our own business.

We have looked at a bigger house, but can't find anything we like that wouldn't cost loads more and then cost far more to run. Could afford it, but why risk it. Who knows what the future holds. I prefer to be pragmatic. We have spent money doing our house up, and we also have money to splash out occasionally, to enjoy ourselves without being saddled with huge debt. Sure, a nice big house would be prestigious and nice, not necessary though.

allegretto · 04/01/2018 18:00

I think you have to compromise in some way. I was in this situation but it was my husband's house and I earned less. We moved to a slightly bigger flat but it made such a difference to my happiness as I HATED the old flat. If your husband really hates where you live and has valid reasons for doing so, you should really listen.

ftw · 04/01/2018 18:01

Does his spreadsheet take into account the additional costs that come with a bigger house? Heating/council tax/decorating costs...

hendricksyousay · 04/01/2018 18:02

I don't work as I'm a sahm but I would like to move and my dh doesn't want to. We have a big house but it's on an estate . I grew up without neighbours and to me that is the ultimate last move . We can easily afford it and dh has nearly paid off this mortgage plus has tonnes of savings and shares etc . Also a final salary pension but he doesn't want to because he is sensible . I totally get that but I still want to move . We will see what happens . By the way my life is restricted because ds I disabled so I can't work much if any .
My dh grew up with parents that rowed constantly about money so I think this is what makes him cautious .

CauliflowerBalti · 04/01/2018 18:04

NC4Now - the money we have set aside would either pay for renovations OR used to tart the place up, estate agents fees etc and toward a deposit.

The mortgage is currently due to be clear in 12 years. Taking the equity here, adding it to what’s left of the savings (I’ve assumed £10k moving costs with decorating) and extending the mortgage to 20 years, doubles the monthly mortgage payment.

It would still be less than £1k a month. Just barely. I need to reiterate that what my DH is suggesting isn’t reckless or excessive.

I just question the point. Brexit, inflation, interest rates, ugh... Why would/should we, when we can mend here? That’s my question.

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Shakey15000 · 04/01/2018 18:09

I'd stick to your guns. I've posted similar today recounting how things can change dramatically due to accident/illness and would always advocate playing it safe.

Loonoonow · 04/01/2018 18:16

I feel inclined to agree with your DH. I would hate to live in a property that DH and I hadn't chosen together, particularly if he earned more than me. The fact I hadn't chosen it and wasn't making an equal contribution would make it feel more like his home than mine.

Is there a compromise here? Find a fixer-upper in a better area that you can choose and improve together but that isn't as expensive as the examples he has given you?

Kewcumber · 04/01/2018 18:17

I understand wanting to live in house that doesn;t feel like someone elses, I also understand not wanting to double mortgage. I think the main wage earner has the right to say they don;t want to double their liability.

I would do the work and if he still feels uncomfortable in the house - sell it to cash in the increased value. Then look at 3 bed houses in the middle of your current house and what he is suggesting.

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Kewcumber · 04/01/2018 18:19

Why would/should we, when we can mend here?

Because although you are happy there- he obviously isn't, I don;t like I'd like the feeling that my partner felt uncomfortable in what is his home.

sonjadog · 04/01/2018 18:25

I think you both have fair and reasonable points. How about you look at houses that are slightly more than your current, without being twice as much? Or houses in the same price bracket that have a different configuration of rooms and garden? It sounds like you are both stuck in thinking that there are only two options here and that is why you are not reaching an agreement. Start looking around for somewhere that would suit you both, maybe not 100% but enough that you are both satisfied.

LoneRangerTime · 04/01/2018 18:26

Not quite the same but my parents offered me a large sum of money. But hubby and I could only use it for moving to a bigger house or buying a second and being landlords. They gave the same to my brother so he didn't lose his house sale (3 bed houses where he lives are around (£250k)!

However we love our house (3 beds for us two with no plans for kids ever and the house is worth £120k) and our mortgage will be gone in 8 years. We also have no desire to be landlords and take that risk with not having tenants etc.

We explained that our current position makes us financially secure and gives us lots of disposable income to enjoy our lives. So we've declined the money so we can have peace of mind and should interest rates rise or one of us isn't working we can still pay for all our bills.

As it happens I will just inherit more than my brother when it comes to it.

gillybeanz · 04/01/2018 18:35

I can see both sides, but it doesn't matter what sort of house your business colleagues live in, maybe they all earn more than your dh.

However, you say it isn't about who pays for what, but state numerous times it's your money that pays for most things, you contribute more.

Imo when you are married it's family money and everyone is equal irrespective of how much they earn.

Maybe you should move to somewhere where he will be happy and part owner. Named on the mortgage, and equal.

bungaloid · 04/01/2018 18:35

My strategy in a similar situation would be to only trade up when I have saved enough so I could still be mortgage free, unless the new house would seriously improve my quality of life. Like you say the sums involved aren't massive so if your income is high enough not to worry then there isn't much financial risk.

KanielOutis · 04/01/2018 18:37

We are in a similar position. My flat, previously owned with ExH. Live here with 2 children. DH moved in. There is 8 years left on the mortgage and it will be cleared before I am 40. We will not move, because I have worked so hard for this place. Bought it once, and then again to buy out ExH. I need a break from the stress and unless DH can meet my contributions, I don’t want to take on any more mortgage debt.

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