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DH wants to move house and I don’t

102 replies

CauliflowerBalti · 04/01/2018 16:37

I earn much more than my husband, and get an annual sizeable bonus. I lived alone with my son for 7 years after my first marriage broke up. In the early years, money was horrible after I went from living beyond the means of two incomes to living on one. But then I earned more, started my own business, and things became comfortable.

Now I’m married again. My husband contributes less because he earns less. This is at my instigation. It’s all cool. I don’t think about money or who pays for what ordinarily. I pay for pretty much everything - I don’t mind. I have enough. I don’t have to worry.

But my husband wants to move house and double our mortgage. He just gave me a spreadsheet to prove we can afford it. And we can. But I don’t want to. We have savings that we could use - my last bonus - to completely overhaul this one, add a bedroom, open out the ground floor. We can do this, or we can use it as a deposit on somewhere else and double our mortgage on a monthly basis.

The latter makes no sense to me. Even though we can afford it. I want to renovate.

My husband says I’m thinking like a single woman, that we should use our money to build something, that we’re selling ourselves short living in the area that we do, that he bets my business partners have bigger/better houses. He says our house is a shithole.

And he’s right. It is. But it’s a shithole I’m damn proud of having kept afloat while I was on my own with eye watering debt. His words hurt me.

But I can see from his point of view that it isn’t HIS house. He isn’t on the mortgage, I chose this house and lived in it with my ex. I’ve no problem putting him on the mortgage. It’s not about what’s mine and what’s his. Who earned it or paid for it. ‘My’ money pays for all sorts, for US.

But he thinks I’m unreasonable not wanting to double the mortgage. And I think he’s unreasonable expecting me to, just because we can. I’d far rather do this place up and know it’s paid off in 12 years, than take out a bigger 20 year mortgage. My business might be booming in 5 years and I can take enough to buy a place outright. Or it might go to shit and I lose everything. I feel comfortable living to a level where if one of us dies or is ill or can’t work, the other can carry the can for a bit. He sees this as code for the marriage breaking up. It isn’t. But having been on my own, it genuinely makes sense to me to keep overheads down.

I’m not tight. I like having nice holidays and not having to think about paying for a nice meal, ordering the nice wine. He says I piss money up the wall though, what do we have to show for it? He has done a spreadsheet of my outgoings to prove we could still do this and he’s right. We could.

I can’t see the point in it though. For 8 more years on the mortgage and double costs, we’d get a slightly bigger garden and maybe an extra bedroom - so, a 4 bed. But after renovations here, we’d have 3 beds and we only need 2. Don’t get me wrong, this place isn’t fit for purpose right now. But after an extension and a loft conversion that I can pay cash for tomorrow (as in, I don’t have to save, not dodgy VAT avoidance!) it will be.

And I see things like the bills and the mortgage as tedium. They’re not what I work for. I work for the meals and the weekends away - and crucially for someone who has been in debt and had to budget carefully - just not having to worry about money. That to me is a gift.

I don’t get why we’d stretch things unnecessarily. But my dh is furious with me, not least because he knows it’s ‘my’ income that will seal the mortgage deal.

I hope I haven’t portrayed him as grabby. He really isn’t. AIBU?

OP posts:
AintNoOtherFan · 04/01/2018 18:38

I understand where your dh is coming from tbh although also see why you don't want to double your mortgage.

My ex dh lived in his house before he met me. I lived there with him and had 2 dc with him but it always felt like his house (because essentially it was) despite what I put into it over the years. Everyone saw it as his house too and I lived with him. I did ask over the years if we could get a place together but he never wanted to.

So despite living there, help doing it up and having 2 dc, it never really felt like mine too. It would have been even worse if it had been your situation where an ex had shared the house too.

I think there is a compromise here - maybe move but not double the mortgage?

Thedietstartsnow · 04/01/2018 18:41

He sounds very grabby....you must love him a lot to put up with him and his pushy ways...are you being sensible with money ,in case he divorces you and try's to take half...

AppleAndBlackberry · 04/01/2018 18:42

DH and I moved recently. I was keen for something much larger, he only wanted to borrow an extra 50k. We both work but he's the higher earner. We compromised on borrowing 75k which got us something with more living space and a nice location but smaller bedrooms & garden. In your position I think I would renovate anyway as that will add value, but be prepared to move after that if DH is still unhappy. You can compromise on location and price, it doesn't have to be 250k although that doesn't seem excessive to me (depending on your salaries).

Snowdrop18 · 04/01/2018 18:42

OP I'm afraid I feel quite strongly that unless his contributions even out - I mean childcare etc - he is being pretty cheeky effectively suggesting that your bills double when there's no need for it.

it sounds like there is no point whatsoever - and I'm sorry if i missed it but have you factored in stamp duty with your maths?

Who cares what house your colleagues live in? All ours live in better places, we want to retire early. Everyone's different.

NC4now · 04/01/2018 18:42

When he moved into yours, what did you both agree? Was it always temporary till you could get your own place, or was it a permanent move?
If your partner isn’t comfortable in your home and you aren’t prepared to work towards a compromise there’s potential for a huge amount of unhappiness.

deadringer · 04/01/2018 19:06

You say your house is a shithole, could you move to a similar sized house in a nice area that is already fixed up without doubling the mortgage?

AintNoOtherFan · 04/01/2018 19:11

By the way where do you people live to think £250 k is excessive! 😱 In my area £250 k is quite cheap...

dudsville · 04/01/2018 19:20

I wouldn't want to move either in your situation. I'm grateful oh and I don't have this issue as, honestly, I think it could be hard to resolve. If you didn't have meaning attached to your home then it could be easier to move to get past the issue, probably not to a20 year mortgage but maybe to a middle ground kind of place, but in your situating I wouldn't want to do that, so its possible one of you will carry a grudge.

princesssparkle1 · 04/01/2018 19:25

Why doesn't your DH get another job and earn more, so he can contribute more to this grand new pipe dream of his?

He seems very happy for YOU to contribute the majority of money to HIS dream.

howdoyoudecide · 04/01/2018 19:29

Our mortgage is exactly £250k. Equity 110k. We pay £930 a month. 1.79%. If the house to buy is worth 250k. You have your equity plus your savings. Your potential mortgage can’t be more than 200k. That can’t be more than around £700 a month surely? I think that is pretty good and I would move. In the long run it will be the better move.

howdoyoudecide · 04/01/2018 19:31

If it we’re going from 125 k to 500k I would say stay put. But in the grand scheme of life. 100k more on a mortgage isn’t that much more. How old are you?

AutumnalTed · 04/01/2018 19:32

You don’t sound as if you want to do this, so don’t. It isn’t your dream, talk to him about how your lives will be in 8 years when the mortgage is up. Financial responsibilities would be small, god forbid anything happen to the two of you, you’d be okay. You have worked hard to not be in debt and be comfortable, please don’t give that up. Talk to him about retirement, what he wants to leave your child. You are in a position to enjoy the money you earn and not a lot of people have that luxury, you’ve been there and you’ve lived life with uncertainty.

shouldwestayorshouldwego · 04/01/2018 19:35

He wants a 4 bed, you have a 2 bed. Why not move to a 3 bed with scope to improve/ extend at some later point if your/his income increases?

AnnieAnoniMouse · 04/01/2018 19:40

CB. You’re not acting like a single person, you’re acting like a single parent and no matter what he says, that’s what you are. If this all goes arse up YOU are the one responsible for your DS’s welfare, not him. You HAVE to think about what is right for you, should you end up single again. YOU struggled to get sorted after your first marriage ended, YOU struggled to put a roof over your & DS’s heads, YOU struggled to make your business work. He’s basically walked into all of that sorted out and been given a home to live in, free. But it’s not good enough for him? Fuck that for a game of soldiers. I don’t know what your financial arrangements are now that you’re married, but I’d be protecting my child’s inheritance in all of this AND I wouldn’t be getting a bigger mortgage (and paying more of it) simply because he wants to keep up with the Jones’.

It’s all very well you not minding him not contributing evenly, but actually, I think you need to consider the impact that’s having on your life in the future, DS’s life too. You earn well now, but sadly that can change in an instant. One accident and life as you know it can change.

I presume, as you married him, he improved around the house and has stopped having to be right about everything, even when he wasn’t?

LaurieMarlow · 04/01/2018 19:47

From what you say, his reasons for wanting a sized up house aren't compelling.

It's either that he wants a big house as a status symbol or he wants a more valuable asset that's half his. I wouldn't be entertaining either of those given the financial contributions he'd be making.

Your plan sounds very sensible. I'm not an advocate of moving house or maxing yourself out financially for no good reason. Our house is small (but very comfortable) but no way are we upsizing until we can afford it outright.

So I'd stick to my guns, but give him lots of input into the renovations if he wants that. And no way entertain his plans until he's prepared to contribute more to the pot.

CauliflowerBalti · 04/01/2018 20:19

Various questions answered randomly...

I’m 39. I took a huge risk to transform my financial situation and it has paid off so far but I’m not assuming that it will always be this busy or this profitable. There’s no reason to expect a significant change, but life has a habit of throwing curveballs and I don’t want to get complacent.

Husband works in public sector so will ever be faced with pay bands etc. It’s difficult for him to get a job earning more - and the pay freeze hasn’t helped. I guess it sounds like he’s happily spending MY money, but that isn’t really true. I see it as ours, genuinely, and so therefore does he, to a certain degree. I don’t mind this. It’s why the money doesn’t really come into it. In fact I’m wondering why I mentioned it. I clearly do have some residual sense of WAAAAH IT IS MINE! But the problem would remain if the money was perfectly even. He’d want to move with his perfect half and I’d want to renovate with mine.

Yes, I married him. Housework scenario completely resolved. The stupid arguments remain... no one is perfect.

I think renovating with a view to moving if it doesn’t create the space he feels he needs is the most sensible plan. A doer upper isn’t really an option as neither of us is handy plus I work insane hours a lot of the time, including weekends, so the idea of making time for it makes me weep inside. It would make much fiscal sense though.

OP posts:
StormTreader · 05/01/2018 10:45

"I think renovating with a view to moving if it doesn’t create the space he feels he needs is the most sensible plan."

Does he say he wants to move for the space though? You seem to be saying all his reasons for moving boil down to "I want something fancier in a nicer area", and adding another room onto your current house wont give him that.

OneFlewOverTheDodosNest · 05/01/2018 14:11

What percentage of your joint income goes on the mortgage now and what would that move to if you moved?

In my mind, if you can extend to a 15 year mortgage that has payments within 25% of your joint take home pay then it should give you enough breathing room to save heavily enough to counteract any situations of job loss or illness that could reduce you down to one income. If that's not the case, I'd propose to your partner that you save for a lump sum towards a deposit until you can reach those conditions.

specialsubject · 05/01/2018 14:37

He sounds a bit immature. ' but everyone else has...' Is a teenage whine.

Who cares what everyone else has? Does his spreadsheet allow for job loss or illness?

heron98 · 05/01/2018 14:56

There's no way I'd ever get a big mortgage - even for a so-called "dream home". What a dull thing to spend money on! And the stress of a huge debt is not worth it.

If your current home is suited to your needs, keeps you warm and dry and has nothing wrong with it and you are happy there, then stay. It's far better to have spare money for fun, holidays, treats and rainy days than just paying to live.

MyBrilliantDisguise · 05/01/2018 15:04

Although I think your husband sounds grabby - and I feel he does better out of the relationship (financially) than you do - he will end up without a property if you did split up. If he's around 40 now, I can see why he wouldn't want that. It puts him in a very vulnerable position.

Why don't you see what a new house would cost over the same term and ask him to put in the difference between what you pay now and what the new mortgage would be?

abualb · 05/01/2018 15:10

Perfectly reasonable for him to want to move to develop a house together, without your ex's influence.

But he sounds like he has fairly immature financial attitudes - like doubling the mortgage because you "can" (?! I do hope he's also suggested other savings and eg a rainy dayfunds), wanting to live in an area more likable because "everyone else" is, etc... Is he playing keep up with Joneses or what?!

Alicetherabbit · 05/01/2018 17:14

I mainly agree with you about over stretching etc, however, in the current climate your savings are doing nothing and gearing up on a house may make more long term economic sense.

Heatherjayne1972 · 05/01/2018 17:31

If he’s not on the mortgage and it’s soley your house it’s your descision
I’d stay if it was me

Middleoftheroad · 05/01/2018 17:52

OP we moved in March and increased our mortgage by 50k. We ported our previous mortgage £500 per month and added £200 per month.

We moved for schools and space. I loved my old house - the area was not great and it was small, but with lots of potential to extend.

We moved to a nicer area from 3 bed one bathroom to 5 bed and 4 bathrooms. It costs more to run and needs new windows etc. We'd spent a lot on the old house. The area wasn't great so it didn't make any money. This one will.

Everyone loves the new house, but guess what? 10 months on and I miss my old house like mad. It costs us around £500 extra a month to live here with the extra mortgage, heating bills and additional car due to crap transport links.

We should have stayed (as school now not what we thought). I'd rather have a home that was manageable and could not care less about the area.

Think very carefully about moving. He may end up happier but will you? I have a lot invested emotionally in my old house and it seems like you do too. Go with your gut.

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