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to ask you to PLEASE teach your children about autism

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CrochetBelle · 02/01/2018 10:34

Apparently 'autistic' is now being used as an insult by teenagers - who really should know better.

Do your children know what autism is? Autism is not 'sitting in a corner rocking'. Autism is not 'Sheldon Cooper'. Autism is a whole spectrum and affects people to varying degrees. It does affect people though. There is no such thing as mild autism.

Schools are continuously waving the 'autism accredited' flag these days, with mandatory training on ASD. Don't get me wrong, that's great progress, but when you ask them what they are teaching the children? Nothing.

There is a whole host of accurate, reliable information out there about autism, and what it means. Please make sure your children are aware. Ignorance is no excuse.

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youarenotkiddingme · 02/01/2018 18:22

I didn't say there aren't sanctions. I said the sanctions are comparable and neither is the accountability.

Imo calling someone a nigger and calling someone a spastic cunt are equally heinous.
Yet when a child is reported calling another a nigger (which they denied) and a child is heard calling another a spastic by a teacher how come one gets FT exclusion and is told they are reported to LA and it'll be permanently on their file and the other is pulled aside for a chat about it and give a simple 30 minute detention because "you know you shouldn't name call and you swore".

But policy is what drives this. There are no policies relating to sexism, homophobia or disablism but there is about racism.

And we have already discussed on a another thread about challenging this.

Queenofthedrivensnow · 02/01/2018 18:23

Kids learn this shit from their parents. I caught dd1 about a year ago saying 'fat like aunty sarah' since Sarah is exh older sister no guesses where that came from.....

Sophia1984 · 02/01/2018 18:47

The coalition government actually removed the requirement to record and report racist incidents in school.

However, disability is a protected characteristic in the same way as race and sexuality, and all hate incidents should be treated in the same way.

I don’t think it serves anyone to compare prejudices like this and claim some types are dealt with better - addressing prejudice as a whole should benefit all marginalised and bullied groups.

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crispbuttie · 02/01/2018 18:58

I don't think that schools are required to report racist comments to the LA any more, however it was always an anonymous box ticking exercise to gather an overview of the data rather than a sanction - the child's name was never reported.

TabbyMumz · 02/01/2018 18:59

Claudia...I don't expect you to read all my posts, but if you had, you will hopefully have picked up that I have queried why just autism and is it right or fair to concentrate on one condition above all others. Kids get bullied about diabetes, and mental health and the way they look, or issues with their body. I want kids educated on all these issues but I just don't think there is enough time in the school day. There are other ways, as I have said in previous posts to educate people in all these conditions (not just autism) out of school which are more effective. This does not mean as other posters have said, that I don't think it should be discussed at all, or that I don't care, or that I don't teach my children how to be nice or anything else they want to make up. As other posters have said, most kids will have an autistic child in their class. My child sat next to a child with autism for four years, played with a child with autism in our street for most of his time in junior school. Now he's in high school, there are many children with autism in his school as it's an all inclusive school. He really does not need any training on what autism is. I'd like him to learn about diabetes though and disablism in general perhaps, but realistically speaking, I don't think he needs it and I'd rather he learnt that stuff outside of school.

steppemum · 02/01/2018 18:59

I have ony read up to page 5, sp apologies if I have missed something key.

I wanted to post because I am the parent of a NT teen who uses these insults.

We have 2 close families friends who have autistic kids. My ds knows them well. In both cases one of the parents is very likely autistic too.
My dds best friend all through primary has autism.
My nephew, ds's cousin has just been diagnosed, although dh and I have thought for a long time that he was on the spectrum.

My ds has grown up around kids with autism and knows them well. He is kind and gentle especially to one younger lad who we see often (very close friend)
He also has a friend at church who is a wheelchair user, I think he has cerebral palsy.

The reason I say all that is that ds really is very well informed about autism, and disability in general.
He is also 15, and the peer pressure is enormous. You use what ever everyone else uses. The irony being that they all all intelligent grammar school kids, and yet.....

Since he was about 10/11, he has used disablist and homophobic language as an insult (his uncle is gay, so again, not due to actual homophobia, or ignorance)

I have heard him use: spaz, moron, retard, gay, and recently autistic.

Each time I have done exactly what everyone would want me to do. I have sat down and explained where the word came from and why it is offensive (to be fair, they had no idea where spaz or moron or retard came from) I have explained why it is horrible, and why we don't want him to use it.
Usually, that word then drops out of his vocab, and another one takes its place.
recently, while on the x-box, I heard him say 'are you autistic???' when someone made a stupid move.
With ds, it works better if I pick my moment to talk to him, over the following week, I heard it often, it was obviously the latest word. That weekend, I made an opportunity and we talked about his use of the word.
I haven't heard it since.

But with all these words, I know they are continued to be used among the boys themselves, he is just careful not to use them in front of me as he knows they are not acceptable. He once said to me - well which words are we allowed to use? because it is natural for teens to throw insults around at each other, and all the insults were forbidden!

A poster up thread spoke about how as a teen when she was told that a word was offensive, she stopped using it, and her expectation was that others would do the same.

The trouble is, that assumes that you are not the sort of teen who does exactly the opposite of what their parents say. I remember a smug parent saying the same thing about why her kids never swore. When I explained to ds why we don't use swear words, when he was younger, he took great delight in 'forbidden words' as he is the sort of kid who loves doing the direct opposite of what adults expect (well, up to a point)

dd1 is 12, she is the direct opposite, and she would never, ever use any such language.

We can and do pull them up on it, but I wouldn't be surprised if you were on a bus with ds if you over heard him use it. I am not happy about that, but he DOES know. And he knows it well. If I ever hear him use it, he is pulled up. I know he would never be unkind to someone, and I think he would pull his friends up if they were (in fact he did just that when he was at primary and our friends son (who has autism) was being teased, he stepped in and told the boys not to pick on him, to leave him alone)

steppemum · 02/01/2018 19:06

and, while it is a great idea to teach it in school, society is clamoring for use to teach (just off the top of my head):
sex and relationships
money and finance
disability
politics
gender issues

there is only so much time in the school day.

crispbuttie · 02/01/2018 19:06

The DFE has issued guidance on bullying in schools - google
Preventing and tackling bullying. Advice for headteachers, staff and
governing bodies July 2017

Notreallyarsed · 02/01/2018 19:14

I know he would never be unkind to someone

But despite all his knowledge of disability and your input he continues to use offensive language. It is unkind to use these words and they do have an impact, continuing their use just makes life harder for autistic people.

As for peer pressure, what exactly are my children supposed to do to “fit in” if their condition is the insult du jour?

It’s all very well saying oh it’s just what they do, or it’ll pass. But it won’t for me and my kids will it? Autism isn’t something we can ignore, or switch off from, it’s who we are. And I don’t see why I should sit back and tolerate nasty little shits mocking because they want to. It’s absolutely shameful.

Notreallyarsed · 02/01/2018 19:15

And before I get jumped on for using the phrase “nasty little shits” if your child uses language like that around disability then that’s exactly what they are.

steppemum · 02/01/2018 19:22

let me be clear, no they are not using the language around disability, they are using it amongst themselves.

They are NOT and NEVER do mock others.

They would never be unkind to anyone else, they are using it within their group. In fact if you had read my post you would see the exact opposite, he is kind and supportive to kids we know.

And if you had read what I had written, you would know that I did NOT say
It’s all very well saying oh it’s just what they do, or it’ll pass.

if that was my attitude, I wouldn't bother continually picking them up on it.

My point is that it is in the very nature of teenage to do exactly what society doesn't want them to do. And that includes using language they shouldn't.

steppemum · 02/01/2018 19:23

and yes I will pick you up on using 'nasty little shits'
becuase you did not bother to read what I read, but instead made several massive assumptions

CrochetBelle · 02/01/2018 19:24

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TabbyMumz · 02/01/2018 19:25

Thank you stepmum....that's what I've been trying to say....add on top mindfulness, sex education, contraception education, meeting local oap's for tea, fashion, nutrition, etc etc etc.....but watch out, you will be told you don't care by some posters on here.

Sirzy · 02/01/2018 19:27

Using it in any context is mocking. Using it in any context is wrong and the “well they do it anyway” attitude is just condoning it

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CrochetBelle · 02/01/2018 19:27

I bet he and all his super-cool mates have a good look around and know for a fact no-one within hearing distance have any sort of disability, before they say it don't they?

Don't fool yourself. I (and many of the other posters on this thread) know exactly the sort.

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Notreallyarsed · 02/01/2018 19:28

@steppemum well you’re not picking up on it enough if he’s still using it. The nasty little shits comment wasn’t aimed at you specifically it was aimed at anyone who’s children use this type of language. Bothers you now that it’s your kid you feel is slighted though eh? Multiply that by a billion and you may have some idea of the impact of your son and others who use such language on my children.

Notreallyarsed · 02/01/2018 19:28

*whose

Notreallyarsed · 02/01/2018 19:30

@TabbyMumz you know what’s really ironic? My friend said that you’d be back as soon as someone else had the same opinion as you. Funny that eh? Nothing has changed since this morning, it’s still never right to condone this language and it’s still lazy parenting not to challenge it.

steppemum · 02/01/2018 19:32

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youarenotkiddingme · 02/01/2018 19:34

So stepp when my ds with autism and spasticity heats other teens in school calling each other "autistic" and "spastic" as insults because they did and said something they felt was 'stupid' - he's meant to be ok with that? Because - after all - they aren't saying it to him and are understanding to people with these disabilities.

Notreallyarsed · 02/01/2018 19:35

I hope one day he pisses off the wrong person and gets the shit beaten out of him

That was too far, way too far.

I think that the refusal to understand this language being used in any context is really damaging is depressing. I think only using it when you can’t be heard because you know it’s wrong is sneaky and really shit. I think parents who let it slide are arseholes.

I would never, ever wish anyone’s child to be beaten up. The day I hit that point is the day those fuckers really have won.