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Trump 2018: Resistance is Never Futile

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lionheart · 29/12/2017 18:34

To pick up on the Star Trek motif.

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Lweji · 08/01/2018 14:15

Joe didn't have to write it. He can say it on TV. Odd.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 08/01/2018 14:18

And I think he has, or at I've certainly heard him allude to it by saying he recognises in Trump similarities with his own Mother who had dementia.

cozietoesie · 08/01/2018 14:19

I'd not have allowed it either. Sad

Lweji · 08/01/2018 14:21

But it's different to think Trump has dementia or that a source close to him said it.

cozietoesie · 08/01/2018 14:22

He's an elderly man.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 08/01/2018 14:33

The eyes involuntarily roll themselves when I see the GOP do shit like this and I'm afraid it leaves me cold when the Dems do it too

The Democrats
@TheDemocrats
Should be a fun time at Camp David for Trump, McConnell, and Ryan this weekend! The only thing these guys burn more than each other is the American people with their reckless legislative agenda.

Trump 2018: Resistance is Never Futile
Lweji · 08/01/2018 14:35

That's how americans do politics, isn't it? Somewhat alien to european politics.

cozietoesie · 08/01/2018 14:36

They have to say something 'official'.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 08/01/2018 14:41

I suppose that's why I'm clutching my pearls - "official" and "Mean Girls" don't gel well for me, in politics anyhow.

cozietoesie · 08/01/2018 14:45
Wink
OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 08/01/2018 14:57

A thread on this morning's news of Trump's lawyers wanting written answers to be submitted instead of an interview

Renato Mariotti
‏*@renato*_mariotti
THREAD: Will Mueller interview Trump? What will that interview look like? (Short answer: Expect live, not written, questions and answers.)
1/ This morning @NBCNews repotted that Trump’s legal team is preparing for Mueller to ask Trump for an interview and has come up with a number of requests that they’ll make of Mueller.
2/ Typically, someone in Trump’s position would take the Fifth instead of agreeing to an interview. Trump is under investigation, despite his statements to the contrary, and faces significant liability. Talking to Mueller can only hurt him.
3/ The way that a defense attorney would handle this in a typical case would be to politely decline and indicate he would take the Fifth if subpoenaed. An alternative would be to interview Trump himself and write a letter to Mueller detailing what he expected his client to say.
4/ Because the letter is from the attorney, not the client, it wouldn’t be used against the client. Then the defense attorney would ask the prosecutor (Mueller, in this case) would ask the prosecutor for immunity in exchange for the interview.
5/ In this case, taking the Fifth or asking for immunity would come at a big political cost. So his attorneys are trying to find a way around that. One of their options—an affidavit from Trump saying he’s innocent—is a non-starter. That has no value except as a PR tool.
6/ I also find it hard to believe that Mueller would agree to written questions and answers. That would give Trump’s legal team time to review the questions and write carefully worded answers. Prosecutors want spontaneous answers to detailed lines of questioning.
7/ Typically the most valuable responses are off-the-cuff responses to probing follow up questions from the prosecutor. So written questions and answers are much less valuable to a prosecutor.
8/ Because Trump is the President of the United States, Mueller could make some accommodations to him, as Starr did to Clinton when he let him testify from the White House via video. But I don’t see him letting Trump answer only via written questions. /end

BiglyBadgers · 08/01/2018 15:14

Letting Trump give written answers would just be a waste of paper. His team would be unlikely to say anything at all and you remove the ability to have immediate challenge to the huff. It would just give him a PR opportunity to spout his usual crap. I can't see it being allowed...or at least I hope it won't be.

cozietoesie · 08/01/2018 15:20

Well if anyone were to tell him that he couldn't go up against Mr M in a live situation?.........

Gosh.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 08/01/2018 15:21

The pundits are saying it would be very, very unlikely for that to happen bigly

Inspired by Trump, Venezuelan strongman holds his own ‘fake news awards’ ceremony
Trump is inspiring people -- but in all the wrong ways.

thinkprogress.org/trump-maduro-fake-news-awards-20e601c827b3/

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 08/01/2018 15:23

Though I like her and thought her speech at the Golden Globes was brilliant, I'm inclined to agree with Miller

Sources: Oprah Winfrey 'actively thinking' about running for president
money.cnn.com/2018/01/08/media/oprah-golden-globes/index.html

Matthew Miller‏Verified account
@matthewamiller
Obviously, the media learned the lesson of 2016 and won't give disporportionate attention to a celebrity candidate who has never....OH MY GOD, IT'S OPRAH.

Lweji · 08/01/2018 15:25

Oprah can't be worse. At least she seems to have some empathy.

PerkingFaintly · 08/01/2018 15:36

Ahh, this is reminding me of the lovely bit in the film Denial, where the Deborah Lipstadt's solicitor flatters David Irving into asking for a judge-only trial "because Irving's lifetime's work is too complex for the man in the street, and even too complex for me."

All Mueller's team have to do is hint that 45's advisors are trying to prevent his true genius from dazzling the mean ol' prosecutors, and trying to prevent him slam-dunking them FOR THE WIN... and 45 will trot like a lamb into the fold.

Just like he revealed on telly he was going to fire Comey anyway.

He da boss, you know.

PerkingFaintly · 08/01/2018 15:38

Or what cozie said more succinctly.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 08/01/2018 15:41

This was known already, I think, but it does underline how important fighting voter suppression and gerrymandering is.

mieke eoyang‏Verified account
@MiekeEoyang
If true, this @kwelkernbc story that the Mueller team is in talks to interview Trump, is big.

www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/initial-talks-underway-about-trump-interview-mueller-russia-probe-n835506

Thoughts to follow:

Agreement to interview Trump by the Mueller team would undercut Trump's statements that he himself isn't under investigation. Interviewing him, which they haven't done yet, puts him in the cross hairs. 2/
It also creates clear legal and political jeopardy for the President. Lying to federal investigators would be a crime.

Not only a regular one, but as shown in the Clinton impeachment, a high crime. 3/
Given the President's repeated misstatements of fact, or as some would call them, lies, about things big & small, some of which don't even seem relevant (the size of crowds, buttons, hands...) its unlikely he could stick to the truth through a long interview. 4/
False statements about his meetings with the Russians in Trump tower, the genesis of Don Jr.'s statement about same, his efforts to fire Comey can themselves be crimes, even if the underlying actions weren't. 5/
One thing we've learned over time is that Trump can't stick to a consistent story about anything.

And another thing we've learned, Mueller has the receipts. He has the emails. He has the phone records. He has the interviews of other participants. 6/
Inevitably, when Trump does lie to the Mueller investigators, and the Mueller report comes forward detailing the particulars, we will be faced with an uncomfortable political truth, does our political system even care? 7/
On this, I have little confidence. And here's why:

The GOP-led Congressional investigators on both sides of the Hill are preparing to wind down, despite not getting through their witness lists. The GOP leadership doesn't seem interested in a thorough accounting. 8/

Despite the urgings of @RepAdamSchiff, the House GOP hasn't scheduled additional interviews, and I don't believe they've interviewed Hope Hicks yet.

So if they're not interested in all the facts, why would they hold the Administration accountable for lying to investigators? 9/
Because, when it comes to the President, it's unclear that Mueller can bring charges. The Constitution provides for impeachment. And the GOP isn't interested in going that route.

Which means... 10/
In order to get impeachment proceedings to move whatever charges may be brought by Mueller, the House would have to flip in 2018.

That's a long time to wait for action, folks. Buckle up. It's a long and bumpy ride. /end.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 08/01/2018 15:46
Hmm

Manu Raju‏Verified account
@mkraju
Corker, who is traveling on AF1 with Trump, has been talking more frequently with him of late and getting on better terms after Corker's sharp criticism last year. After Corker got torched for backing tax bill, he bonded with Trump over what he viewed as unfair news coverage

cozietoesie · 08/01/2018 15:52

For those who haven't seen it.

AcrossthePond55 · 08/01/2018 16:18

In May, Pompeo himself said he had reworked intelligence briefings to include "killer graphics" as opposed to text, and on Sunday he stressed that despite the text-light approach, Trump absorbs the information

Sounds very similar to how we teach our preschoolers their letters and numbers, doesn't it. Great. Governance by flashcard.

GingerIvy · 08/01/2018 16:53

Arden Farhi

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@ArdenFarhi
1h1 hour ago
Here’s a transcript of at least part of the not-seen-on-TV conversation between Stephen Miller and @jaketapper during the commercial break that followed the @CNNSotu interview... pic.twitter.com/NhBFrEeesA

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 08/01/2018 16:57

NBCWashington
@nbcwashington
JUST IN: Officials say the Trump administration is ending special protections for emigrants from El Salvador, forcing nearly 200,000 to leave the country or face deportation.

www.nbcwashington.com/news/national-international/DHS-Temporary-Protected-Status-Program-Salvadoran-Immigrants-468315753.html?amp=y&__twitter_impression=true