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Veiled insult, faux pas or not a big deal?

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MissionItsPossible · 22/12/2017 11:21

Came across this article in the Mirror just now (Sorry, it's another Meghan one) where she says Prince Michael of Kent wore a 'racist' brooch when meeting her.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/meghan-markle-greeted-racist-jewellery-11736477

General consensus from the comments suggest she knew exactly what she was doing. I don't know anything about her to know if it's suspect but it seems an odd thing to own let alone wear in public. What's the jury?

Also, is Michael an actual name for a woman, I've never heard of it before

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LittleWitch · 22/12/2017 17:41

It’s almost incomprehensible tbh. Which means it must have been deliberate.

On the matter of curtseying, will Catherine have to curtsey to B & E even once she’s Queen? How bizarre.

Queenofthedrivensnow · 22/12/2017 17:48

She's pathetic. Hope Meghan didn't dwell on it too much and enjoyed herself.

I'm not royalist but I like Kate and Meghan if I'm going to be smothered with royals in the press they are beautiful and glamorous and mot bad role models really. Especially Meghan

WindyWindy · 22/12/2017 17:59

Well from initially being a thread about a really unpleasant story I was pleased to catch up via the wonder of the internet on the work of the Duchess of Kent. I had missed the story of her becoming a teacher in Hull.

Re Princess Michael If this was a case of spite then I pity her poor family. Yikes. I even pity her really, it can't be great being like that.

AdiosPeaceOfRoast · 22/12/2017 17:59

Who gives a shit whether it was the same lunch or not (although you’d have to be considerably intellectually challenged to think not), the fact she wore it shows her racist views, if they were in any doubt.

LaurieMarlow · 22/12/2017 17:59

I would imagine that's the last time Princess Pushy will be invited to that lunch and she will probably be free to watch next years FA cup as well.

I seriously doubt that. The queen doesn't have any form for cold shouldering royal relations.

LaurieMarlow · 22/12/2017 18:01

All this curtseying and order of precidence is such ridiculous nonsense I can't even compute it.

LemonShark · 22/12/2017 18:05

crispbutty yes, it does literally say in the article in the first post it's a Blackamoor piece. I suspect most people who opened it found that out. Not sure what it being a 'blackamoor' piece has to do with his horrifically racist it is. Out of curiosity what makes you think it's any different to a gollywog?

The PP saying they find these pieces stunning and beautiful and would love to own one aren't exactly covering themselves in glory, I'm almost loathe to acknowledge their comments as I feel in this day and age surely they're just spoiling for a fight or daring someone to call them out on the racist connotations of this apparently attractive jewellery. But I've taken note of your comments. I suspect you feel you're being quite anti-PC and daring, when really your racism is less than thinly veiled!

I encourage others to look up what blackamoor jewellery and statues actually is. How it's usually depicting slaves draped in their masters' jewels, in a subservient pose, reducing a human being to little more than a podium for trinkets. Absolutely nauseating.

Beltane18 · 22/12/2017 18:14

do they really curtsey to each other?!

Roussette · 22/12/2017 18:41

She's apologised... apparently. But the thing is, she would've just known what she is doing. Soooo... she's getting dressed and putting on the earrings, necklace, brooch etc.

So she's meeting Meghan, Harry's fiance who is bi-racial and thinks shall I wear that lovely gold heart brooch, or the diamond and sapphire bow brooch or the black faced blackamoor brooch that I haven't worn for years... rightio...
She knew exactly what she's doing.

ElephantsandTigers · 22/12/2017 18:41

It's been reported PMOK is distressed and has apologised and decided to retire the brooch for good.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 22/12/2017 18:54

It's been reported PMOK is distressed and has apologised and decided to retire the brooch for good

How nice

Far more likely she's taking a perverse delight in the publicity ... sorry to be so negative, but nothing will convince me this was some kind of "mistake"

Viviennemary · 22/12/2017 18:58

If the royals were like ordinary folk then I'd say it was deliberate. But they just don't think like the rest of us. I'm sure it was a ridiculous mistake. They're so out of touch with everything and everyone it makes me wonder what is the point of them rather than a sideshow pantomime. She was being racist. Oh no she wasn't. Oh yes she was.

Lashalicious · 22/12/2017 19:01

This has nothing to do with the thread but wouldn’t it be funny if Megan took the name Princess Henry (I know she wouldn’t) which would devolve into Princess Harry? I’m sorry, I must be feeling giddy today with Christmas and all.

It does seem like Princess Michael is off in the head. “But I love those people” she said in a past interview about something racist she said. Haha.

Eltonjohnssyrup · 22/12/2017 19:19

I seriously doubt that. The queen doesn't have any form for cold shouldering royal relations.

Yes she does. She has always made a point of sidelining Prince Philip's sisters because of their connections to Nazi Germany.

Brandbrandbrandy · 22/12/2017 19:23

But I love those people

Haha, reminds me of the words in a certain email from an HQer to an MNetter....

Eltonjohnssyrup · 22/12/2017 19:24

Princesses always take the name of the Prince they are married to if they marry into the royal family rather than being born.

Princess Diana was officially 'Princess Charles, the Princess of Wales'. Trufax.

MaryPoppinsStoleMyHandbag · 22/12/2017 19:33

I see that she’s now issued a statement apologising and stating that no offence was meant and that she’s worn it before lots of times without any controversy.

Would love to be a fly on the wall to hear the behind the scenes royal conversations right now.

Thesecondtoast · 22/12/2017 19:51

So she has been massively bollocked and forced to apologise. There is no way that was an accident. One less to invite to the wedding or at the very least to be sat at the table at the back near the toilets

QueenOfTheAndals · 22/12/2017 20:11

Prince Michael is a prince because his father was a prince. His mother was a princess in her own right I think.

Yes, his father was the Duke of Kent, one of George VI's younger brothers. He died when the current duke (seen at Wimbledon) was very young - about 6 or 7 I think. His mother was a princess of Greece, a first cousin of prince Philip IIRC and probably the last princess (to date) to marry into the royal family.

brizzledrizzle · 22/12/2017 20:14

On the matter of curtseying, will Catherine have to curtsey to B & E even once she’s Queen? How bizarre.

In theory but in reality I think they'd get pretty pissed off with her if they are trying to watch Corrie and she pops in to join them and does the full curtsey thing and they miss the cliff hanger.

QueenOfTheAndals · 22/12/2017 20:18

I wonder if any of the royals actually do curtsey to each other when they meet in informal occasions? It seems so bizarre but I guess if it's all you've known...

LaurieMarlow · 22/12/2017 20:27

Yes she does. She has always made a point of sidelining Prince Philip's sisters because of their connections to Nazi Germany.

That's hardly comparable. It was absolutely years ago and under serious diplomatic pressure. Princess Michael of Kent has been in her close circle for years and I'd die of shock if this harmed the relationship.

kooshbin · 22/12/2017 20:33

Re: the curtseying and bowing. Apparently, it only happens on the first occasion of greeting the Queen on any day. There was a photo in the media of Catherine and William curtseying/bowing when the Queen arrived at some event, while Beatrice and Eugenie, who were standing next to C&W, didn’t curtesy. Cue outrage at B&E’s disrespect, until those in the know regarding royal etiquette explained that B&E had already met the Queen that morning.

It happens at non-official events as well as in private. When the Queen arrived at a horsey-thing – definitely not official as the Queen was driving her Range Rover and wearing a headscarf – Zara Phillips curtseyed when the Queen stopped the car for a quick chat.

It must be a nightmare to those not brought up with the knowledge of such requirements. But Meghan is used to learning her lines, so if she gets a good briefing she’ll probably be ok.

I think it’s all a nonsense. They really can’t pretend to be “just like us” with such curtseying and bowing in private. What other family in the land has rules like that? It won’t change when Charles becomes king, because he’ll carry on the same as his mother, who carries on the same as her mother.

Rainbunny · 22/12/2017 20:39

Oh wow! No way that was "accidental!" Vile woman. I wonder if she'll have to curtsy to Meghan in future? If I was Meghan I would insist upon it

classicchristmas · 22/12/2017 20:42

She's a shocker, how the hell would someone leave the house wearing a monstrosity like that and think it was ok? She's not normal dear god ..

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