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Pay for trial day in job....

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Allabitmuchisntit · 19/12/2017 10:12

Hi ladies, dd (15) has just done 2 evenings work for a small business on a trial basis. We chatted last night and I've decided it's too many hours for her so have messaged the business owner to say she won't be back in etc. All fine. Where does dd stand with payment for the hours she has worked? She's entitled to pay for any hours she has worked there right?

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theaveragewife · 19/12/2017 10:13

Yes of course!

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Allabitmuchisntit · 19/12/2017 10:14

Sorry, to clarify, first evening was "trial day".

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Allabitmuchisntit · 19/12/2017 10:16

Thanks. . I know I sound dim but I just want to make sure I'm 100% right before I see the employer. I'm getting the impression she is not going to be forthcoming with coughing up.

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Pengggwn · 19/12/2017 10:16

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TheQueenOfWands · 19/12/2017 10:17

My employer doesn't pay for 'trial' shifts.

I had to work a week free when I first started and was 'training'.

mummyhaschangedhername · 19/12/2017 10:22

Depends I suppose on her contract and what was agreed. I understand she is only 15, but for her mother to email and say she's not coming back is breaking a contract.

What happened on trail day? Did she work the job? Or did she just get an induction? I've done jobs where we had unpaid induction days.

When are they supposed to be paid? It seems a bit over the top to be freaking out about pay if she only worked those days that week .. unless of course she was supposed to be paid everyday? Clearly if this was work done a while ago, I would be concerned.

Was the job different or hours different than agreed? She obviously took a job, but then decided it was too much? Or did was the role/hours different than agreed upon?

AnarchyKitty · 19/12/2017 10:28

We don't pay for a trial, as I found out when I did three (10 hour shifts) days in my new job.
Most Hospitality jobs around here don't pay trial shifts either.
She really needs to speak to the employer herself.

MyDcAreMarvel · 19/12/2017 10:28

Why won't you let her do the hours? It's hard for teenagers to find jobs theses days. It would have been wiser to discuss the hours before hand.

araiwa · 19/12/2017 10:29

It sounds more like your job than your daughters

Chopchopbusybusy · 19/12/2017 10:32

Both my DDs have had unpaid trial shifts. It should’ve made clear if they would be paid or not. But to say of course they will be paid is not true.

Ladyformation · 19/12/2017 10:38

Of course she should be paid morally, but whether she's actually entitled to pay will depend on what was agreed up front.

In either case, she needs to be dealing with it, not you, just like it's her decision how many hours she wants to work...

Possumfish · 19/12/2017 10:41

I've never known anyone paid for trial shifts especially teenagers, but it depends what was agreed. In small businesses it's a let's see if you like us and if we like you first, then we will discuss pay and contracts. It's hard enough to get work at the moment, I think you probably should have discussed times with the employer before quitting.

Flowerpot1234 · 19/12/2017 10:42

If your 15 year old daughter agreed to a paid trial evening, then it's a paid trial evening + 1 more evening. If she agreed to an unpaid trial evening + 1 paid evening, then it's 1 evening's payment she's due.

All depends what she agreed with the employer doesn't it? What did she agree?

tiggytape · 19/12/2017 10:43

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Allabitmuchisntit · 19/12/2017 10:43

Wow!
Thanks for the opinions and the advice.

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SnowGlitter · 19/12/2017 10:45

My son did unpaid training (which amounted to several unpaid shifts).

I'm more that you got involved and emailed them!

Aridane · 19/12/2017 10:47

I would assume it's unpaid. Also think the hours was largely your daughter's decision and certainly that she should have been the one informing her potential employer about 'her' decision not to take the job

Maryz · 19/12/2017 10:48

Unless they said they would pay her, no question, they may not if she doesn't go back.

They may have loads of teenagers turning up who decide they can't be bothered to return; setting them all up for payment of tax/NI/wages is a faff, and possibly isn't justified if she doesn't bother to actually take the job.

The likelihood is (having seen my kids with various jobs) that if she continued on she would be paid for those hours in her first week's wage.

Maryz · 19/12/2017 10:50

I missed that you messaged them. Oh dear.

Some businesses give unpaid "work experience" to children; having their parents involved makes it sound more like that than a proper job.

peachgreen · 19/12/2017 10:50

Given she's not serving her notice period would they be within their rights to withhold her pay?

onadifferentplanet · 19/12/2017 10:50

Could your dd not sort this out for herself? You say you think it's too many hours, what does your daughter think? You don't say what the job was but with Christmas a week away I am presuming your decision not to let her work anymore may well have left them in a muddle with no time to find someone else for the next few days.

CanIBuffalo · 19/12/2017 10:52

It's a lesson for her. In future she'll know how important it is to be very clear about this from the outset.

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Allabitmuchisntit · 19/12/2017 10:54

I know my daughter and it's my considered choice as to when I do and don't involve myself in her dilemmas. You are all welcome to assume that on this occasion, it was justified. If you want to be shocked and agast about it - have fun with the temporary superiority you feel 😊.

To the non judgy bitches that answered my question - thank you ladies.

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Snowman41 · 19/12/2017 10:55

Unless it was agreed upfront then I very much doubt they will pay her. You haven't actually answered any of the questions regarding the arrangement. Our local chippy offer trial shifts, unpaid, but if the person goes on to work for them they usually give them a bonus at the end of week 4.

You really need to take a step back though and let your DD deal with her own employment arrangements. I'm quite shocked you thought that was an ok thing to do.

TrollTheRespawnJeremy · 19/12/2017 10:55

I would be too embarrassed to ask for pay after they'd given me the chance of a job and wasted two days training me at one of the busiest periods of the year.

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