Pay for trial day in job....

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Hi ladies, dd (15) has just done 2 evenings work for a small business on a trial basis. We chatted last night and I've decided it's too many hours for her so have messaged the business owner to say she won't be back in etc. All fine. Where does dd stand with payment for the hours she has worked? She's entitled to pay for any hours she has worked there right?

No matter how people try to explain that unpaid trials are a given, I thoroughly disagree.

Youngsters have the shit-covered end of the stick.

They get paid less than older people doing exactly the same job and spend hours of their time on unpaid trials.

Also, replace "teenagers" with "women" or "people of colour". Doesn't seem right, does it?

They used to justify paying women less for doing the same job citing that it was just for a bit of pocketmoney and they said to those of colour that they could take shit pay or fuck off, they can find somebody else etc.

And of course mum is stepping in.

Labour party / union reps, where are you again? Or is it only sexy middle unpaid internships that are worth railing against?

Don't know where the middle came from

@PersianCatLady, DD was 15 and was learning how to coach an activity she had done for years. Even after 6-8 weeks she still had to do H&S training, Child Protection and various other courses over the last couple of years.

There is no way she added any benefit to the business until she was capable of coaching on her own. Now whether or not she could have been paid a pocket money wage for "helping out" is a different question.

DS is currently doing something similar as he helps out in an activity he has done for years. He will also have to learn how to coach the activity before he can earn any money for it. But once he's learnt it will be well paid,

If it was a zero hours we'll let you know then you might not have broken the notice period which you see changes wether your daughter gets paid or not
Even if you consider the OP's DD to have been "employed" by this woman and to have had an "employment contract" then the relevant "notice period" in this case would have been the "statutory minimum notice period" which is -

• employed for 1-24 months = one week
• employed for more than 2 years = one week for each complete year of employment (up to a maximum of 12 weeks)

@PersianCatLady, DD was 15 and was learning how to coach an activity she had done for years. Even after 6-8 weeks she still had to do H&S training, Child Protection and various other courses over the last couple of years
You might think that she didn't add benefit but I suspect that she did.

If I was the employer, I would have paid her but I suppose that some people may class her as a volunteer.

ACAS has some useful information about volunteers, work experience and internships here -
www.acas.org.uk/index.aspx?articleid=3603

I get paid to be trained constantly - its a necessary part of my job - I get paid whilst I am out of the office and the course is paid for

This link gives you the legal position on children doing paid employment.

www.gov.uk/child-employment/restrictions-on-child-employment

Plus its in my contract - if it wasn't I would have to pay for it (and id be looking elsewhere)

So yes, during term time a 15 year old can only work 2 hours a day on weekdays.

OP how many hours was your DD expected to work when you thought it was too many hours.

At risk of being that poster let me break it down for you OP:

Hi ladies, For some reason that doesn't do down all that well here!

dd (15) has just done 2 evenings work for a small business on a trial basis. OK.. how many hours per evening? Do you/dd/the employer know the restrictions on evening work?

We chatted last night and I've decided it's too many hours for her You decided. What did she think?

so have messaged the business owner to say she won't be back in etc. All fine. Mmm! Maybe not. It depends on how your DD sees all of that! Effectively you may have stepped in and squashed her 9first?) attempt at independence, you certainly took away a chance for her to practice acting like a grown up - you could have helped her hand in her own notice!

Where does dd stand with payment for the hours she has worked? She's entitled to pay for any hours she has worked there right? Absolutely no idea as none of us have seen the agreement your DD had with her prospective employer!

@PersianCatLady if I was the employer I would also have paid her but there you go.

Yes, I think both places would class DC as volunteers, so it's probably unfair to say they were working unpaid (even though I know DSs group do rely on him). We're letting them make the decisions (while hovering worriedly above). It's definitely teaching them both a great work ethic and doing wonders for their self confidence.

curious thanks for going to all that trouble.

lightasthebreeze - 3.5hrs every evening for the next two weeks. Not legal, not what she was originally told, hence the discussion and action taken.

Helpful posters have educated me that dd is not necessarily going to get paid. This gives me a basis to go from.
I've literally nothing to say to those of you commenting on me messaging the employer. Sorry about that.

pengggwn

I have repeatedly said I've got the advice I needed and i have repeatedly said thankyou.
So because I'm not entering into a debate with posters about how I parent my dd, I'm rude.
I've read some pretty "rude" replies to my op.
But that's ok......
Anyway, one for the road....

Thankyou!!!

Agree with Curious and Pengggwn

If it is the holidays they can do more hours but not after 7pm. Also the company usually needs a permit. Maybe the trial was 2 hours on school evening and then upped for the school holidays??

Who knows? OP never said! Makes it a bit difficult to help!

But I've had the help I needed?
That's a good result is it not?

Are we all just here now, being outraged about something else?

That'll be another thing you fell foul of.. you have to give absolutely every single last detail.... or else. You have to remember that sometimes you are posting here for the amusement of others

Meow!

You won't agree but you have done your DD a disservice by contacting her employers. She will need to learn how to deal with employment issues herself and if I were her I would be really embarrassed that you contacted them. You would have been better to advise on how to deal with it herself but I guess that doesn't come naturally to you judging by your posts.

In addition, if she was contracted to do 2 trial evenings of course she will not be paid.

I've had jobs since I was 13. Never had parental input/interference in any of them!