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Trump thread # 100 “Cannot you see that I, too, have a tall and beautiful person?”

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TheClaws · 16/12/2017 06:25

Roman Emperor Nero wrote the above in a manual titled ‘Care of the Hair’. Nero was tyrannical, vain and cruel, and thought little of the lives of others. He also liked to erect buildings and carve his name into them. Smile if only we could learn well from the past.

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HesaidIwasflighty · 20/12/2017 12:16

Delurking again to thank those of you ploughing through these news items and posting them here. Depressing stuff to read, but necessary.

I just saw this on the Guardian:
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/20/us-take-names-united-nations-vote-to-reject-jerusalem-recognition

Aside from wanting to ask Nikki Haley who the hell she thinks she is, trying to bully the entire world on her president's behalf, I get the feeling that Trump is hedging his bets: if he can't start a nuclear war with North Korea, he'll try to make things worse in the Middle East. Sad

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 20/12/2017 12:39

Bully is really the right word to use with all of this administration.

But there is fight back!

Dale Ho‏
@daleeho
Kobach’s hometown paper

Editorial: It’s time to end Crosscheck

Problems with methodology and data security have made the program ineffective
cjonline.com/opinion/editorials/2017-12-18/editorial-it-s-time-end-crosscheck

Elena Saltzman‏
@ElenaSaltzman
What started as a small project by @IndivisibleChi over the summer to get Illinois to pull out of Crosscheck, a voter suppression tool, has even led to Kansas Sec State Kris Kobach's hometown paper publishing this headline: "Editorial: It’s time to end Crosscheck." #EndCrosscheck

And

Kyle Griffin‏Verified account
@kylegriffin1
An anti-gerrymandering group has turned in more than 425,000 petition signatures to the Michigan Secretary of State to qualify for a ballot initiative next year that would let an independent commission draw legislative and congressional district lines.

www.clickondetroit.com/news/petitions-submitted-for-redistricting-political-maps-in-michigan-1

And in case anyone missed it from yesterday, how just one person can make a difference!

One-vote recount win gives Democrats tie in Virginia state House

www.politico.com/story/2017/12/19/democrats-tie-virginia-house-of-delegates-244598

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 20/12/2017 12:42

A challenge for you all

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/20/the-donald-trump-quiz-of-2017?CMP=twt_gu

AcrossthePond55 · 20/12/2017 12:54

I scored 100%

Of course I just read the questions and said "Trump is a fuckhead" was the answer to each one. I'd say that qualifies me for full marks, wouldn't you?

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 20/12/2017 13:02

Faisal Islam‏Verified account
@faisalislam

Another Tory eurosceptic John Baron again expresses concern about the Letwin Amendment power reintroducing discretion over exit date...”weeks or two months?’
PM: shortest possible time

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 20/12/2017 13:04

Sorry Blush

But mildly encouraging news UK news followers - there's now been an amendment passed that says we can extend exit date "in exceptional circumstances"

I think it's the only way to answer the quiz Across

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 20/12/2017 13:59

Their flagrant revelling in this is astonishing. To be pleased is one thing but wtf is this

Ben Shapiro
@benshapiro
Condolences to the families of those slain last night by the tax bill. I personally lost a brother. Well, I mean, I never had a brother, technically, but he probably would have died from keeping more of his money, so same thing.

lionheart · 20/12/2017 14:00

Hi Hesaid. Nikki Haley is a strange one--I cannot quite figure her out.

lionheart · 20/12/2017 14:02

I only got 9--A bigly fail. Smile

cozietoesie · 20/12/2017 14:10

lion! Shock

HesaidIwasflighty · 20/12/2017 14:31

lion, I know, sometimes she comes across as being relatively sane, and then she goes off the deep end like this.

I scored 10/12 in that quiz: I was too nice to Jared, and thought Sean Spicer was the latest uncannily accurate portrayal on SNL Grin

lionheart · 20/12/2017 14:56

I suspect she'll write a humdinger of a memoir in a few years, Hesaid.

I know, cozie.

MidnightCaterer · 20/12/2017 15:00

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lionheart · 20/12/2017 15:00

On the tax bill it's quite striking to me that the opposition keeps citing the needs of 'middle class families.'

I can't see that flying in the uk, where politicians usually come to the defence of 'working families' or 'hard-working families.'

Unless a part of it is the supposition than more people identify as middle-class than would actually fit the criteria? I think that's what the uk research into class has shown but don't know if it works the same way in the US.

MidnightCaterer · 20/12/2017 15:13

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 20/12/2017 15:14

I was gobsmacked midnight. Still, someone on twitter made the point that the republicans have their own Obamacare now (although even that grates because obamacare was actually trying to help people) so they’ll have to deal with the political fallout, for all the comfort that’ll bring to those affected.

Menschite is now attacking Walter shaub as being part of trump’s team and is saying she hopes he’ll be investigated by the FBI

lionheart · 20/12/2017 15:15

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Facts:

  1. There will be no exoneration letter.
  2. The Mueller probe will continue for most of 2018—maybe beyond.
  3. Trump is the probe's target.
  4. Mueller will refer at least one impeachable offense—maybe more.

All this is clear from the publicly reported information we have.

2/ Public exonerations are unheard of—which is why Trump fired Comey for giving Clinton one. That he's demanding one now is jaw-droppingly hypocritical. But Mueller isn't Comey—and even Comey didn't offer an exoneration letter in mid-investigation. Mueller's in mid-investigation.

3/ A report today said Mueller's probe will continue for most of 2018—maybe beyond. That's no surprise; he's only done one round of interviews of White House staff, is waiting on mountains of documentary evidence, and has indicted only a fraction of those who've committed crimes.

4/ You determine investigative targets—in a case like this—from organization hierarchies. Below Trump was/is Manafort, Flynn, Kushner, Sessions and Trump Jr. The first was indicted; the second, convicted; the third, set up for indictment; the fourth and fifth, clearly indictable.

5/ If Mueller's target was a level below Trump, he wouldn't have rolled Flynn. So the target is either Trump or Pence or both—and there's a mountain of evidence pointing to Trump crimes. There's only an attenuated case—based on partly on speculation—that Pence obstructed justice.

6/ We also know Trump is a target because Mueller has a prima facie case for Obstruction—Comey—and Witness Tampering (Don Jr.). The former is an impeachable offense—and prosecutors are trained to bring all cases they can prove. So Mueller will refer an impeachable offense to DOJ.

7/ So there will be no exoneration letter for Trump this week. Instead, he'll learn—now or soon—he's the target and will continue to be for most of 2018.

Because his attorneys haven't set him up to accept this truth, he'll go ballistic. And at that point, he'll fire Rosenstein.

8/ All these events are predetermined based on what's already occurred: Trump's obstruction; Mueller's training; Trump's attorneys' bad advice; Trump's temperament; the basics of investigation; the tactics used in securing cooperation from witnesses.

The only question is timing.

9/ The law isn't a Magic Eight Ball—things can be known in advance because the procedures are known in advance, the statutes are known in advance, precedent is known in advance, and—here at least—the personalities of the principals are established in stone. So this IS the future.

10/ The Congressional probes are a sham; the White House's rhetoric is self-serving and false; the mainstream media waits for leaks to report anything significant; Mueller must remain quiet. But legal experts CAN make educated guesses on what will happen and help educate America.

CONCLUSION/ The statements I made atop this thread are all true and will be confirmed as true. They HAVE to be true based on what's already known. I say that on the basis of expertise—not motivated reasoning.

The only remaining question is the timing of these revelations. {end}

PS/ Yes, I know Trump fired Comey because of "the Russia thing." My point is that Rosenstein and Sessions could credibly write letters saying Comey issuing a public exoneration was a deviation from protocol because it was—even if Lynch forced the deviation. That's my point here.

PerkingFaintly · 20/12/2017 15:16

10/12

Been working hard on my glitterball awareness. Glitterball

lionheart · 20/12/2017 15:23

Not bad at all, Midnight. Smile

I suspect there are some other differences that also inform this debate too; the relationship between class and money may be more pronounced in the US; white collar/blue collar distinctions and divisions and the problem of how to articulate a common political agenda when the country is so vast and diverse.

Thank goodness for Sally Q. Smile

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 20/12/2017 15:59

Standard disclaimers

Julia Ioffe
@juliaioffe
The suspected terrorists the FSB apprehended with CIA help—for which Putin thanked Trump in a recent phone call—claim they're being tortured in a Russian jail.

www.novayagazeta.ru/articles/2017/12/19/74979-vzryvnoy-temperament

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 20/12/2017 16:16

The Hoarse Whisperer
@HoarseWisperer

This will brighten your night.

Recently indicted former Trump aide, Rick Gates, had some friends attempt to throw a fundraiser to pay for his legal bills.

No one showed up.

Attention, Trump aides! This is how it ends for you. Broke and trying to Gofundme your legal bills.

Benjamin Freed
@brfreed
I’m at a fundraiser for Rick Gates’s legal-defense fund. There are almost as many reporters here as potential donors. Gates himself, who is under house arrest pending trial, will be appearing via Facebook.

mobile.twitter.com/brfreed/status/943281410533679104

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 20/12/2017 16:51

Bill Browder
@Billbrowder
BREAKING: US Treasury just added 5 Russians to 2017 Magnitsky list including Andrei Pavlov one of the chief conspirators of the Magnitsky scandal. The wheels of justice are turning: www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/OFAC-Enforcement/Pages/20171220_33.aspx#.WjqPOQbm1EY.twitter

PerkingFaintly · 20/12/2017 16:54

Oh that is good news about the expansion of the Magnitsky sanctions.

cozietoesie · 20/12/2017 17:09

To be expected, I fear.

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