...to ask what happens when you die?

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... or more accurately, what you think happens?

I really really don't want to die (a good thing I guess! As I wasn't too bothered either way as a moody teen, but now I love life most of the time and want to hang around).

It's comforting to think there's a heaven, but I don't believe there is (and I'd probably get bored if I had to stay there for EVER). But when u die - is that it? Game over ? I'm not too keen on that idea either.

What do you think happens? and what would you like to think happens?

I have died three times already, at birth. I don't remember being born or dying & I'm hoping I wont remember anything after I'm gone. I don't believe in afterlife, I'm not religious. I plan to leave my body to a teaching hospital (If they need me that is!)
The way I may go scares me sometimes but I think most rational people have some fears occasionally. I'm not obsessed though.

read the book "the afterlife of billy fingers", its a fantastic book. It will tell you what you need to know x

All of life's worries go away!

Some deaths will be painful, some not.

thebelleofstmarys, so sorry for your loss, but what a wonderful thing that happened to you, and no i don't think for one minute we imagine things like this to self comfort. Cant we just accept something for what it is, rather than constantly look for other reasons.

There always has to to be a reason for this, a reason for that, in fact a reason for just about anything rather than accept what to me is plain as daylight. Our bodies are just a shell, our spirit/soul is intact, we live on. We will see our loved ones again, our real life is yet to come. I have no doubt.

For me it's not about religion as such, but the soul's journey from darkness to the light of true understanding - and for that we need reincarnation

The path towards enlightenment involves very many lifetimes and we hope to learn lessons while "here" so that, eventually, we move towards the light and have to undergo fewer of the trials involved in being mortal. In the end, all suffering on earth is really just a trial our souls undergo to fit us for a better life ahead

But all be clear and obvious to us when we die.......how do you know that ?......You may 'Believe' that but you certainly don't know and I as an unbeliever don't know either, as far as I know no one has come back and told us.
Well,i suppose i can just as easily say, "how do you know that" when people say quite categorically "there is no God". They said that with a certainty, as i can say with a certainty "there is a God".....and people have "come back and told us", there's been countless people who have "died" and come back and told of their experiences on "the other side", and a lot of them are very similar in their descriptions. Are we to discount all these simply because we dont want to believe them.

And yes i say God loves us all, he doesn't cause the "abused or starving kids", we can't blame all the worlds ills on him. This planet is full of suffering, should we expect heaven to be here on earth, that isn't Gods plan for us. Most of the sufferings in this world are caused by man not God, let man take the blame. i don't think we've been put on earth to have an easy ride, though some suffer far more than others. I don't think we should ever be arrogant enough to presume we should know how God works.

thebelleofstmarys You didn't imagine it. So sorry for your loss.

as far as I know no one has come back and told us.

People are 'coming back' to tell us all the time. You could check it out by visiting your local spiritualist church, for free.

I don't remember dying or being dead, but I remember being another person before I was the person I am now.

Well, I don't really anymore. But when I was young I had very vivid memories and I still remember them, but now it's like a film I watched once.

Buttercupmeadow......I did say I don't know, but I don't believe. Of course I don't know, if I did I wouldn't be having this conversation.
I am not 'blaming God' for all the ills in the world, because I don't believe he exists. If there was this all powerful entity that 'loved us' I think, of course, don't know, that he would find a different way to stop people's terrible suffering. An intelligence like that would not have an ego, so therefore would not want to be 'worshiped'
All these people that 'have come back' where is the evidence? If you are talking about other humans channeling them, well sorry that is not evidence. I always think when I see or hear things like this, why oh why, if they really are there do they make their 'messages' so complicated.
You say we shouldn't be arrogant enough to know how God works, but you also say you know his plan, seems a bit of a contridiction there to me.
Yes, Heaven can be here on earth, seeing a newborn baby, the wonderful planet in all it's magic and glory, feeling love from your loved ones, fabulous food and good wine. Nature at it's best, Cosy nights in watching a good film with your loved one. Each persons Heaven is different, but it's still Heaven and ir's real. Of course Hell is on earth as well. It's all real to be seen, heard, felt, and touched. If you talk about spirituality, then yes, I get that because I have moments when I have been profoundly moved by the beauty of something. I am happy that you and other's have 'your belief's and I respect that, but your beliefs are not mine, they were once, I did think just like you for a very large part of my life, and when I lost it, I missed the comfort it gave me, but I have had a long time and many experiences to think the way I do now. In a way I envy you, to have such blind faith, so maybe we can agree to disagree, and each carry on in the way that best suits us.

It totally freaks me out to think about it..always has. One thing's for sure...it's going to happen! Like others I think it is probably like before you were born though would be lovely to think you still exist but not in a physical form...but unlikely. Hence I try to enjoy and appreciate life and make the most of it. (easier said than done sometimes as we all know...screaming kids anyone?!)

And now a very relevant musical interlude

Beautiful spiritual song Dust in the Wind. I love it.

Cheerful yank

That’s so interesting and awesome. My mum says when I was tiny I’d talk about things in great detail and talk about where I used to live etc. it was in another, Far away specific country and I knew details that a little child just couldn’t possibly know about

I don’t remember any of this !

febel can i ask...why unlikely?
pensionista yes it's fine to have different views.. I didn't say i knew Gods plan, and i wouldn't say my faith is blind. I have loads of "proof" of Gods existence individual to me itms.

Buttercup....The earth is full of suffering, do we expect 'Heaven' to be here on earth, that's not Gods plan.

Well implying you know what's NOT Gods plan, implies you do know WHAT IS Gods plan.

I have loads of 'proof' of Gods existance individual to me....

Well you really are the lucky one out of the Billions of people in the world you have a hot line to this God. Please share the 'loads of proof'

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I'm trying my best to understand your beliefs and faith, as I said I respect other people views, but I can't find anything in your answers so far that would make me understand .like I previously said, I used to think the way you do, so I understand where your coming from,. We are worlds apart sadly.

But when I was young I had very vivid memories and I still remember them, but now it's like a film I watched once

Maybe it WAS a film you watched once

Here we go again, Pensionista. Where's the proof? We demand proof! What exactly do you think this proof is going to consist of? If the spirit of say, John Lennon walked into your living room and waved to you the chances are that you'd simply dismiss it as a hallucination or some other trick of the mind. I doubt people like you would accept anything as evidence, really.

I've already said that I cannot give you this "proof" that you demand. I can categorically state that the person I refer to in my posts has demonstrated the ability to see and hear myself and other people in my home and other places, as well as move objects in a locked, empty room and make an object disappear and a few minutes later reappear with no people or animals anywhere near. I know this because I have witnessed it for myself on several occasions. And yes, I do have the courage of my convictions, thanks, and I will swear that what has happened to me has really happened to the day I take my own dying breath. I'll swear it on oath, in a court of law, wherever. But I can't make anybody else believe that I am telling the truth. The thread on which I posted most detail is still around, but I'm reluctant to link to it here because after rereading it, it reminded me again of all the intelligence insulting bullshit I had thrown at me back then, accusations of lies, of being mentally ill etc. It just gets so bloody frustrating and there's only so much one can take of that.

And even after that thread was posted on I received yet further confirmation of this person's continued existence in spirit form. A few days I had had a very emotional meeting with two very close relatives of this person, then spoken to them a day or two later, the experience of the pressure by my side, on the bed, happened (mentioned earlier in this thread). I knew it was this person as something always happens shortly after I speak to them.

I've said and I'll say it over and again; I'm not special, I don't fully understand why this is happening to me, I just know that it is, and I'm just sharing my experiences, and that's all I can do. But understand, on that other thread I felt like I was going around in circles and banging my head against a brick wall with some people. Believe what I 'm saying or not, that's all there is to it.

Liz70....welcome back I Thought you'd gone.
I think your getting confused, I never asked YOU for proof and I NEVER said you were lying, In fact I think I have been quite respectful of your posts if you read back through.
A bit more than you have been of mine........you doubt people like me would accept anything as evidence really. REALLY ? What exactly is 'People like me'? ...Could I be some one who does not blithley accept everything and anything people do and say including you. What may I ask is wrong with that.? I would suggest if you are not prepared for doubts and questioning, then it would be wiser to keep quiet about your experiences and not come on a public
platform where people have different views and beliefs.

SMACK MY HAND for questioning what you and Buttercup say, sorry I have more than one brain cell and I do question EVERYTHING.
The experience YOU had was real to YOU and thats fine, but don't expect other to not question it and believe it. But who cares I don't and neither should you.

What was I saying about going round in circles and banging my head against a brick wall?

I give up, really I do.

Liz70......good, at last you've got the message.

I love hearing people's experiences. After losing loved ones it is too painful to imagine I will never be with them again. I think when we die we go home and are filled with nothing but peace and love. I hope anyway.

I meant that I give up trying to explain myself to you and your ilk, pensionista, not give up posting altogether. You're not the thread police.

Thanks for explaining , and thanks again for being disrespectful to some one who has not been disrespectful to you. No wonder you get negative feedback with your attitude.
You actually got so many things wrong, I was not posting to you but to Buttercup, you just jumped on the bandwagon and ranted at me. Please check my posts before you decide to insult and rant at some one.
The only thing you've got right so far is no, I am not the thread police, I never tried once to stop you or said you couldn't post, I mearly said good you have at last got the message, meaning at last you understand that you can't continue ranting and expect others to believe you as we don't all believe what you believe. Such arrogance can't continue without challenge.
I couldn't care less about you continuing trying to explain things to me, because your so closed minded, the very thing you accuse me and others of being. You seem to have not noticed how I actually acknowledged what you said, unlike you. I will say again YOUR experience was YOUR experience, not mine, so stop expecting me and others to just accept it without question. That's NOT SAYING YOUR LYING .