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Grenfell ex-residents should get a 3-bed house with a garden if that's what they want

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pingodolcepo · 11/12/2017 08:23

Daily mail outrage that some of the residents are asking for a 3-bed house with a garden. But honestly, they have been through a living hell that was caused by someone else's very bad choices.

There are plenty of people in London that have a 3 bed council house, why can't these people that have dealt with horrors get one also?

I know someone that got a council house in Highgate in the 80s, was a cabbie with a good wage, bought it when offered and sold it a few years ago for over a million and now lives in a fab place with loads of land and a pool in the south of France. If plenty of normal people got houses why can't these poor residents get one? They won't ever be able to afford to buy it due to the high cost of london houses now.

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makeourfuture · 12/12/2017 15:53

It's not a Legal requirement

Nor, apparently, does/do our Government feel the need to fund them:

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-sprinklers-money-grenfell-promise-broken-accusations-a8007501.html

woodhill · 12/12/2017 15:55

Reading Kittens posts earlier it sounds like some people are doing very nicely out off subletting e.g. person in Yorkshire, should this be allowed?

Not sure if this is the case with Grenfell.

HelenaDove · 12/12/2017 15:58

That post of mine about possible sprinkler malfunction was written on 11 May.

A few months later.........

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/kensington-chelsea-domestic-violence-victims-london-woman-refuge-ceiling-collapse-a7868566.html

Franklin77 · 12/12/2017 16:01

Bubblebubblepop mother as I said previously, right to buy hasn't been exercised in K&C for decades- in fact it's rare in any high value area. I haven't seen more than 10 in the last 15 years. I have to interject here, you said previously that there has been no RTB in K&C for decades but this is rubbish. The council tenant who lived a few floors below me bought her flat in W12 in 2008. The council tenants couple below her bought their flat in 2010. The (drug den) council tenants who lived in the basement flat at the end of my road bought their flat around the same time in 2010. My colleague's neighbours a few roads away bought their flat just two years ago in 2014. These are just the right to buy purchases that I know of just through general knowledge and experience (and having the woman below me brag about all the new flooring, new kitchen, new bathroom and new wall coverings she was having). How can you claim there are no RTB purchases in K&C for decades? Confused

HelenaDove · 12/12/2017 16:02

On Sunday evening I sat outside a pub in west London with a group of women, some of whom were crying. A man on a nearby table asked us why we were there, presuming a birthday party gone wrong, or a messy breakup had led to the scene. We were vague and cagey with our answer: “We live in a domestic violence refuge and we’re facing immediate homelessness and danger, so called a journalist for help” isn’t generally a great conversation starter.

Just after midnight that morning, the ceiling had collapsed in one woman’s bedroom: mercifully, she was visiting friends that night. The fact she has a condition that puts her at high risk of a heart attack doesn’t bear thinking about. For two weeks prior in the refuge, the sprinkler system had been leaking heavily: the women showed me the flooding they endured – ankle deep in some bedrooms, and wallpaper bulging with stale water.

Finally, the leak caused the ceiling to fall in. They rang the fire brigade and the housing association that owns the house and the charity that runs the shelter service. When the emergency services arrived, a firefighter told them that if anyone turned on the power, the entire building would go up in flames. Removing a plug from the wall, he swore as water poured from the socket. They were left with torches and barely managed to sleep: seven women, and six children between the ages of two and seven, crowded into the communal living room.

Their children are in play schemes in west London, where they’re building confidence after fleeing abuse and violence
Then matters worsened. The women were phoned individually by the housing association and told they’d be put in temporary accommodation – with no guarantee of when they would return – in Barking, 15 miles away: an hour away on public transport, even though the women’s doctors, counsellors, key workers and friends are all in west London. The children are in play schemes in west London, where they’re building confidence and making friends after fleeing abuse and violence. But worse: some of the women have ex-partners in Barking and east London, men who have told them that if they ever saw them again, they would murder them. One of the mothers was promised that if her husband ever had the opportunity he’d lock her and her son in the house and burn it to the ground.

Understandably terrified, they all refused, and were told there would be nothing else offered. By doing this, they were putting themselves at risk of being declared “intentionally homeless”, meaning they would be out on the streets with the housing association refusing to help.

woodhill · 12/12/2017 16:02

I'm not convinced all council tenants are that needy and vulnerable either. Some obviously are but not all.

HelenaDove · 12/12/2017 16:04

Franklin "social housing tenants have elevated status" Really? Because the attitudes ive seen and previous threads on this site would beg to differ.

Fekko · 12/12/2017 16:07

There sadly are a few refuges around there. So that story is a bit unfair as they would need a large, secure and 'non descript' property (there are some that I never knew were refuges even through I lived around the corner). And they are always full.

When I worked for a local charity I used to deal with the refuge managers and yes, the ones I knew were located in really expensive properties and I used to wonder how they manged to stay put with the upkeep when other similar properties owned by organisations (convents, schools, etc) were being bought up for millions. I'm guessing the houses were bought/gifted to charity from a time when Notting Hill was a dump and you couldn't give the properties away.

Bubblebubblepop · 12/12/2017 16:11

Because I work on them Franklin. That hasn't happened.

HelenaDove · 12/12/2017 16:12

Fekko i posted that to show sprinkler systems can and do go wrong.

The reason tenants have their doubts is because of the high risk that it wont be properly maintained and checked.

HelenaDove · 12/12/2017 16:18

Heres an example It also clearly demonstrates the " elevated" status of social housing tenants.

lalalalyra Wed 29-Nov-17 05:09:38
some HA's deserve all the complaining they get. HA tenants are stuck with the shitty, cheap contractors they use (and keep using year after year regardless of complaints).

There's a lady in my town who has loudly, and rightly, been complaining about the biggest HA in the area.

Her husband was terminally ill and needed a wheelchair ramp. The HA wouldn't allow her to have it done herself, they said they'd do it. It got fucked up so many times it took 8 months for the door to be widened and the ramp to be attached. The work (the door then needed replaced 3 times because of cock ups) was finally signed off and completed 16 months after the original meeting - and 4 months after her husband died. The contractors were rude and unreliable throughout, as well as incompetent.

The contractors also managed to take 5 weeks to fit a wetroom and flooded her hall, bedroom and living room.

She's now being called ungrateful and getting a lot of stick because she's refusing a new kitchen - same contractors so she doesn't want them in her house again - understandable imo"

Bubblebubblepop · 12/12/2017 16:22

Most HAs don't fund or do adaptations any more for exactly those reasons- they're a nightmare to manage.

HelenaDove · 12/12/2017 16:27

But whats the excuse for the attitude of those contractors and then the insistence on using them again despite complaints and shoddy work.

because they are cheaper!

HelenaDove · 12/12/2017 16:28

Bubble it comes under reasonable adjustments.

mothertruck3r · 12/12/2017 16:30

Bubble According to this news report,

"In Kensington and Chelsea 31 local authority owned social housing dwellings were bought by their tenants in the 2013-14 financial year."

www.getwestlondon.co.uk/news/business/right-buy-sales-soar-west-7948064

Either they are wrong or you are wrong, which is it?

Battleax · 12/12/2017 16:31

Right to acquire purchases from housing associations might account for the difference (puzzlingly).

Bubblebubblepop · 12/12/2017 16:32

It's more complex than that. Many contractors are not interested in tendering for council or housing association repairs contracts- they are low profit and dont particularly fufil any corporate strategy.

So they have little choice of supplier.

Then, because they're a contractor management of operatives by the landlord becomes very hard- they're not your employees, it's hard to sanction the contractor.

They're certainly not going to appoint someone else to do one kitchen.

HelenaDove · 12/12/2017 16:35

"Then, because they're a contractor management of operatives by the landlord becomes very hard- they're not your employees, it's hard to sanction the contractor."

Which is what causes problems with shoddy work and safety of work.

HelenaDove · 12/12/2017 16:36

And the contractor knows its hard to sanction them so they can do exactly what they like.........

Bubblebubblepop · 12/12/2017 16:38

Well that article doesn't make any sense anyway- no sources, the links go to unrelated stores, and how would a local news journalist know how much discount a tenant has had on their property? Tosh

Bubblebubblepop · 12/12/2017 16:38

Yes agreed Helena

Franklin77 · 12/12/2017 16:44

Bubblebubblepop Because I work on them Franklin. That hasn't happened. What, you mean you oversee or are directly involved in every purchase from social housing stock of every property in K&C over the last 20-30 years, is that correct? You keep saying it hasn't happened, but it has. I lived above 2 sets of purchasers, I saw the work carried out on the ground floor apartment purchased by the bragging woman, and when the druggies at the end of the road bought their flat, it was the scandal of our road! How can you insist something which happened, which I personally lived and experienced, didn't? It's crazy - you are either lying or exaggerating what you consider a rare occurrence to a nutty extreme. Confused

KathArtic · 12/12/2017 16:46

Franklin
You were right. That post of mine you said would be pulled, was.

Typical but not unexpected. Someone (probably more than one) couldn't wait to 'report' you in order to get one over instead of allowing debate. Always happens.