Grenfell ex-residents should get a 3-bed house with a garden if that's what they want

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Daily mail outrage that some of the residents are asking for a 3-bed house with a garden. But honestly, they have been through a living hell that was caused by someone else's very bad choices.

There are plenty of people in London that have a 3 bed council house, why can't these people that have dealt with horrors get one also?

I know someone that got a council house in Highgate in the 80s, was a cabbie with a good wage, bought it when offered and sold it a few years ago for over a million and now lives in a fab place with loads of land and a pool in the south of France. If plenty of normal people got houses why can't these poor residents get one? They won't ever be able to afford to buy it due to the high cost of london houses now.

If plenty of normal people got houses why can't these poor residents get one? They won't ever be able to afford to buy it due to the high cost of london houses now.

You're absolutely right. Anyone that can't afford a house in London should have one given to them. I've experienced some pretty horrific things in my life, one situation in particular has stayed with me to this day; therefore, I deserve to be given at least 6 bedrooms and a large garden with minimum 2 car parking. (I'll expect 2 cars to be included with the house, obviously.)

I don't know where you get those figures from, OP. For instance a deceased council tenant may still have a spouse who is entitled to stay. Here's what the council says about rehousing high priority cases:

www.rbkc.gov.uk/housing/social-housing/social-housing-borough/how-quickly-will-people-high-priority-be-rehoused

Spoiler - it's "a long time".

Many years ago I worked for K&C in the housing department ; there were a handful of houses in the stock then. There are probably none now , there are very few houses to be had in general in that area . As sad as it is housing departments can't offer what doesn't exist . In addition many of the former residents of Grenfell Tower will not move away from the borough, whether you consider that to be understandable or not they would probably get a better property if they would move further out. I have spent most of my adult life working in social housing and it is always difficult to house people who are homeless. Most people believe that if what they would like is scarce a miracle will happen and what they would really like will become available because they are homeless. I am not being harsh by the way but just practical . There just aren't properties doing nothing and staying empty for emergencies.

YABU OP.

Also anyone who was suspected of subletting (unknown remains found in their Grenfell property etc) should be taken off the register straight away.

Many were taking the piss beforehand and are continuing to do so after.

Friends of MIL came over as refugees many years ago and worked - paying their their rent, taxes and yes, contributing to the community. They no longer need a home.

The problem is that there aren't that many 3-bed houses with gardens in that area. And yy, private renting, the LL can end the agreement or hike up the rent once the 6 months are up.

(They lived and died in Grenfell).

They should have a property suited to their needs. There are presumably lots of other people waiting for properties who weren't in grenfell. Do they all get houses too?

Don't be so ridiculous. You don't just 'get what you want' as means of a council house. There is a MASSIVE shortfall in affordable housing in London and everywhere else!

Allocation of council housing is based on need not want.

Yes, Grenfall residents have lived through an unimaginable horror and most lost their home and possessions so of course they should be rehoused but it's completely unrealistic to 'give them what they want'. If a couple were living in a one bed flat they shouldn't now be given a 3 bed house with a garden.

There are many families in London living in overcrowded poor conditions, waiting for housing.

@poshpenny gas doesn't cause fires. It causes explosions.

Cheap shitty electrical equipment with plastic backing allowed by the current EU manufacturing regs causes fires. Smokers cause fires. Chip pans cause fires. Heaters cause fires.

Gas does not. It makes a really, really big bang.

fucks it was absolutely awful but it could happen anywhere and at least they have the chance of another home here

Fekko sorry about your relatives

They are well within their rights to ask but they shouldn't expect.

What happened at Grenfell was an awful, awful tragedy but tragedies happen to different people every single day.

You cannot issue a three bed house with a garden to everyone in London, regardless of what they have been through.

Alongside that, why is it fair that the Grenfell residents get a free bedroom house when others are working every hour god sends to afford squalid lodgings in the city centre? It's not fair to give to some but not all.

So yes, whilst it would be nice to give them what they want but there are thousands upon thousands of other people in as much need all across the country so sadly it just isn't feasible.

Of course they don't. Houses with gardens in central London are pretty rare and anyone who has one is not going to give it up without a fight. New builds have been smaller flats on higher blocks to accommodate the huge - and ever increasing - numbers of people in the capital.

Woods- it was good friends of MIL. Absolutely dreadful - the daughter just still can't believe it and is in pieces.

Realistically they will have a much better chance og getting a 3 bed house with garden if they move someone that isn't zone 2 london. Not sure if you've noticed but there isn't loads of 3 bed council houses with gardens sitting waiting to be occupied in London!

Can no-one see the point that someone who has experienced a terrible fire like this in a high rise might not be psychologically able to live in a high rise in future? And should not be required to do so? I can't even imagine the levels of PTSD some of those people must be experiencing.

If they were legal tenants then perhaps try to accommodate them. Not however in the Notting Hill area as the cost to taxpayers would be ridiculous even if there were any available for purchase.

Unless they have 10 years of ties to an area then I would say anywhere in the country would be suitable and probably a better quality of life too.

Illegals - no way at all. Why should they be housed ahead of legitimate people on the waiting list>

Those residents should be given priority to live in that area. As to the homes they want well I know thats not just practical at all.

They have lost their homes to be forced to move elsewhere means losing their community, friends, local connections and support networks and thats just the adults.

I can understand them not wanting to live in another tower block. No doubt many will have PTSD from this or some form of anxiety and in those instances I can understand the demands for houses rather than flats. but if the available types of homes aren't available I would hope they are being offered reasonable alternatives and compensation to replace their lost possessions.

Those who were tenants of the council should have priority for appropriate housing. A single person or couple will be entitled to a one bedroomed flat, two bedrooms in some cases. A family with children will be entitled to a larger property, not necessarily a house.

Tenants who illegally sublet their homes should not be given the same help IMO, but their tenants should be rehoused. Leaseholders should be helped into the situation they were in, given compensation to enable them to buy another property of a similar value. I'm not sure that giving those who are in the UK illegally permanent status is necessarily the right move but I understand why it's been offered.

I feel sorry for the council trying to rehouse these people...on R4 this morning one official said that there are more applications for housing than there were originally families in the building as people 'living with' a family (friend/grandma/aunty/uncle etc) all now want there own property....I don't know central London but there can't be much vacant council housing in that area... Personally I would prioritise the families with children who are at school in that area... everyone else? God knows... It's a nightmare. It's now not enough just to have survived with your life intact...

why is it fair that the Grenfell residents get a free bedroom house when others are working every hour god sends to afford squalid lodgings in the city centre? It's not fair to give to some but not all

this requires a change in law to ensure all homes are habitable. MPs actually voted against this.

Want to make this fair? Make sure private landlords have to hold up to the same standards as housing associations. Mine is excellent and have invested billions in improving housing stock - new windows, boilers, kitchens, bathrooms, roofing/gutters, fencing and heating systems inc fires.

if you cant afford to keep the home to a decent standard nor give a fuck about the standard of the homes you let out then you probably shouldn't be a landlord.

My sisters friend lived in one of the lower floor flats and has been rehoused in a house - they have moved out to Buckinghamshire though. She was happy to go.