To wonder why MN is so left wing/liberal?

[cdvegan2023]

MN hates Brexit, the tories, pink toys, violent video games... you get the idea. But in real life most women don't mind buying gender specific toys/clothes and the election/brexit female vote was about 50/50. So what makes this place 90% lefty/lib when general society is either split or completely reversed?

[ThroughThickAndThin01]

It's a lot less wing that it was when I joined.

You don't get called a cunt on the very first post after the one you say you voted Tory any more. It's on about the fifth one now

[pointythings]

I personally think that you lose the argument the moment you use the words 'lefties' or 'rightists'. We should all be better than that.

MN is definitely well to the right of my views, but I admit I'm left wing. I'm not happy about Corbyn though, he's keeping the Tories in power as much as the DUP are.

[thecatfromjapan]

Seriously.

Six year olds are cooler than this.

You show a 6 year old five counters and demonstrate that you can split it up 4,1; 2,3; 5,0 and they don't spend a year insisting that 4 +1 = seventy million.

[VladmirsPoutine]

Mn is most definitely to the right, centre-right I'd say.

I assume the majority of users are middle class white women.

[ThroughThickAndThin01]

Does anyone remember ttosca?

[ginghambox]

Does anyone remember ttosca oh yes very entertaining.

[ThroughThickAndThin01]

On a permanent crazed rant.

[derxa]

Where's claig when you need her?

[WipsGlitter]

It's more mixed class wise than people think.

[bruffin]

Mn was very lefty/liberal when i joined 10 years ago, its more balanced now but unfortunately still left leaning

[MaximilianNero]

There are plenty of people who normally vote Tory and really don't want Brexit and vice versa. I don't think Brexit is a very useful gauge of how right or left wing MN is.

MN is very right wing. In real life I don't know anyone who is hardcore anti-trans, but it's religion on MN.

Gender critical radical feminism is not a right wing movement.

Being anti-trans would be right wing if the reasoning was based on right wing principles. I'm not saying I've never seen that on MN, but I rarely see it, despite the high volume of trans threads. FB posts with lots of comments from fundamentalist American Republicans are a different story...

[derxa]

The fact that mumsnet needs people to be reasonably literate might mean that posters are more educated than average which could skew towards the left. Well done. This attitude ensured Brexit.

[Anatidae]

Your two premises don’t add up.

Take the toys. On here people tend to agree that there is an issue if girls are told ‘Science toys are for boys, you only get the pink stuff’ or ‘no son, you can’t have a doll, have this gun.’
BUT that doesn’t mean they also wouldn't buy a pink doll thing for a girl or a nerf gun for a boy - the issue is that restricting what kids can play with by their sex is a problem. Pink toys aren’t a problem. Making ONLY girls play with them and girls play only with them is a problem.

The rest is demographics and confirmation bias. MN is quite an educated MC demographic and the more educated people are, the more liberal they tend to be, and the less religious or prone to political/religious extreme views they are.

There’s also the factor that our own social media tends to be an echo chamber - I heard a lot of people saying they didn’t know anyone who voted for brexit so they couldn’t understand why it happened - because everyone they know thinks like them. I have a variety of people on my fb (a more educated, generally expat/travelled demographic from where I live now and a less educated demographic from where I grew up.) the latter were overwhelmingly in favour of brexit, and I can see why (it’s ok for me as a professional living in Europe to think it’s great. My cousins living in Page Hall have an opposite view and frankly I see why.) ...and so it was hardly a surprise when it happened.

[Anatidae]

Well done. This attitude ensured Brexit.

Agree with that too. As above, I think that the European project has overwhelmingly benefitted the mc and upwards section of the population. It’s benefitted me. It probably not benefitted many where I grew up
Telling someone who lives in Page Hall that it’s all wonderful is going to fall on deaf ears. And the frankly patronising ‘ you’re all thick racists’ campaign by the left was about the worst thing they could possibly have done. I’m not surprised they lost.

[Vitalogy]

There's an agenda, and I don't care who thinks I'm mad for saying it.

I repeat: education does not equal intelligence. Being able to think for yourself, rather than regurgitating the views of somebody else is a dying art

I don't think you're mad at all.
They'll defend it to the death as well, with no idea they've been had. Glad you were able to see through it and get what you needed out of it. Playing the system rather than being played is the key.

[specialsubject]

Mn is convinced that

• brexit voter = thick or uneducated.
  
• corbyn is god. Anyone who votes Tory gets roasted.
  
• everything is black and white. One answer is totally right, one is totally wrong.
  

Preserve us from those who know they are right.

Mn also thinks everyone has a perfect signal on their dick brick and that houses are unaffordable throughout the UK.

[derxa]

My cousins living in Page Hall have an opposite view and frankly I see why.) ...and so it was hardly a surprise when it happened. Yes. When you only mix with 'educated professionals' then you have no insight into how other people think. I have a big list of qualifications but it doesn't make me think I know better than Jim down the road. I voted Remain and have had arguments with people who voted Brexit in real life astonishingly. For me MN is the Guardian writ large. It's fascinating.

[Julie8008]

So what makes this place 90% lefty/lib when general society is either split or completely reversed?

Because its my experience that a lot of lefty liberals on Mumsnet are very intolerant. So when anyone posts a dissenting view/opinion they jump on the report it button and the users get banned. Then all that remains is a hard core left wing liberal echo chamber.

[GoingIn]

Specialsubject - we're all victims here. go to any of the political threads and see your second point is absolutely not true. I would say that anyone who says they support corbyn gets immediately roasted. Including by many labour voters. And anyone supporting labour policies also gets roasted.

For your first point, I'm sure you know that remainers get accused as well. of different things, granted but still accused of this and that.

[thecatfromjapan]

*"Mn is convinced that

• brexit voter = thick or uneducated.
  
• corbyn is god. Anyone who votes Tory gets roasted.
  
• everything is black and white. One answer is totally right, one is totally wrong.
  

Preserve us from those who know they are right.

Mn also thinks everyone has a perfect signal on their dick brick and that houses are unaffordable throughout the UK."*

That's a paranoid fantasy.

Why tell yourself that? Do you need to feel like a victim?

[makeourfuture]

Why is education viewed so strangely in the UK?

[makeourfuture]

It is a good thing isn't it?

[Anatidae]

Yeah. I mean I can argue till I’m blue in the face about why remain would have been better, blah blah but that’s coming from my life and my reality.
The reality of family in page hall is just as real and they no doubt think I’m a leftie hippy (I’m not even that left wing...) their reality is just as real.

I can’t even read the graun these days. I do t know if I’ve changed or it’s changed but it reads like a left wing daily mail. I think the appeasement of religious men when the Charlie hebdo thing happened and then the general air of ‘religious men, men and autpgynophiles above women’s rights ‘ just killed off all respect I had for it.

There must be plenty of people like me surely? Neither left nor right, just wanting a stable fair society? I hope I have a social conscience and in many ways I’m quite left wing. And in others I’m not. I DO think the traditional left has let people down. And the current Tory lot are steadily asset stripping the country to line their own pockets. It’s bloody depressing. Where is the party of sensible politics? Someone who will invest in research and development and education, stop selling everything off, build more social housing because it saves the country money Protect the environment, etc etc. Both sides at the moment are like selfish squabbling children, they need their heads knocking together.

Gosh that was quite a rant, sorry....