To wonder why MN is so left wing/liberal?

[cdvegan2023]

MN hates Brexit, the tories, pink toys, violent video games... you get the idea. But in real life most women don't mind buying gender specific toys/clothes and the election/brexit female vote was about 50/50. So what makes this place 90% lefty/lib when general society is either split or completely reversed?

[BertrandRussell]

"I find the strange persecution complex of some right-wingers very odd"
I agree. There are other groups who seem to feel the same- the anti PC "you can't say anything nowadays without offending someone" types, the Christians who think they are being persecuted in the UK, the anti feminists who claim to be silenced.....they all seem to be incredibly vocal and influential for groups being denied a platform!

[surferjet]

It’s because MN is 90% women & most women are liberal / left wing.

That’s it really.

[Justanotherlurker]

Because we have a Tory government. If we had a Labour government then the complaints would be about them. There's not many keyboard warriors who log in to celebrate how peachy everything i

Whilst that's true to some extent, before 2010 MN wore the left wing site as a badge of honour, this place was in meltdown after the GE with crys of people leaving the country, children crying because the evil Tories had got in and confused because no one had ever met a Tory, any right of centre poster was roundly jumped on, it has become a lot more centrist now and since the momentum bots have decided to camp here the Overton window has moved on where anyone who doesn't dares critise JC is automatically far right daily mail reader.

[Zevitevitchofcrimas]

Liberal is Liberal some of the left wingers on here couldn't be farther removed from being Liberal.

Liberal does not equal left.
Far left is equal to far right, if not far worse than far right in terms of catastrophic damage to humanity and sheer loss of life.

[PerkingFaintly]

It was a Tory MP crying in Parliament yesterday because of the actions of the Tory government, Justanotherlurker.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-42243073/tory-mp-heidi-allen-in-tears-during-universal-credit-debate

[Justanotherlurker]

r groups who seem to feel the same- the anti PC "you can't say anything nowadays without offending someone" types, the Christians who think they are being persecuted in the UK, the anti feminists who claim to be silenced.....they all seem to be incredibly vocal and influential for groups being denied a platform

There is the other side of the coin that both sides see what they want, confirmation bias is an unconscious trait of everyone.

You, personally, are just as guilty of claiming persecution on many threads than those you apparently cannot understand.

[GoingIn]

Yeah, tories have won the last couple of elections and majority voted for brexit so why would anyone who voted for them suddenly feel victimised? If you're a part of the majority?

[Kursk]

It’s interesting to see that people think it’s right wing here!

[reetgood]

Liberal is Liberal some of the left wingers on here couldn't be farther removed from being Liberal.

This! Very much this!

[GoingIn]

I would say it's interesting that people would say it's left wing here

[Choccywoccyhooha]

It doesn't feel left wing to me. Quite the opposite.

[WindyWindy]

There's a mix on here as there is in wider society.

Anyone who thinks it seems really unreal on here: my advice is to try and widen your circle a bit.

[Justanotherlurker]

What has that got to do with anything to do with my comment? Perking

I have no sympathy for her, she voted for many policies that she is now complaining about, crocodile tears as far as I'm concerned when you view her voting history.

I'm not a Tory, but I'm not labour either, I can see shit and good in both, I don't treat politics like a team sport which many on here do.

The underlying reasoning of being intelligent is laughable, the abject refusal to see any alternative view point at face value does not show intelligence.

[Eltonjohnssyrup]

• Labour 'abandoning' their 'true' demographic (what the fuck does that 'true' mean anyway? Are you trying to say only poor people can vote Labour? only people without a tertiary education? only the socially illiberal? We would have no politics if voting patterns mapped neatly, at birth, onto social position).
  

Do you have any idea about the history of Labour and who they were set up to represent?

Jesus. The clue is in the name.

[noblegiraffe]

underlying reasoning of being intelligent is laughable

It's not about intelligence level, it's about level of education, which is not the same thing.

[thecatfromjapan]

Elton The majority of the country - including the middle class folk you seem to despise - are workers. Most of us produce profit, for others, through our alienated labour - even if that profit is distantiated, or the labour less than evident.

The nature of labour has changed in the C21, the signifiers of class have changed too. The demographic of the Labour Party now looks different - of course it does.

You seem to have a very strange notion of what an 'authentic' Labour Party demographic should look like.

You strike me as the sort of person who will, quite illogically, moan about the fact that a. many founders of the Labour Party were middle/upper class, b. many people who are middle class/affluent share the Labour Party's vision of wealth redistribution and social goods, c. the chimaerical idea that the Labour Party are abandoning its 'authentic' roots.

[thecatfromjapan]

That should be 'the alienation less than evident'.

[thecatfromjapan]

I've a really good grasp of the roots of the Labour Party, actually. It's fascinating and draws on many strands, with roots in the Victorian period and progressive bohemias.

It's never been simple.

[Eltonjohnssyrup]

I find the strange persecution complex of some right-wingers very odd.

I'm guessing they grew up longing to be the cool misfit, misunderstood by all; the young man who attracted sensitive, intelligent women, who would spend hours lying by their side, wandering through the labyrinth of their sun-dappled minds, and would then articulate their beautiful self back to them in words of soft poetry.

Alas, this never happened

This delusion of victimisation is a let middle-age approximation of that long-cherished fantasy.

Jesus fucking Christ. Can you not see why you're perceived as arrogant?

[thecatfromjapan]

By whom?

[Justanotherlurker]

It's not about intelligence level, it's about level of education, which is not the same thing

Even that is laughable, there are many posters who loudly proclaim their RG degree and show no critical thinking skills and just start name calling when the failure to see anything other than in black and white is prevelant, not only on MN but in online discourse in general.

There are quite a few posters on this very thread that use stats/reports/press releases to bolster their argument in say a brexit debate and then brush off the very same think tank as being a right wing mouth piece when it pokes holes into their political view, that's not critical thinking, it's nothing more than blind loyalty and populism.

[Intercom]

It used to be that heated debates took place but most people would do so respectfully. People now seem far quicker to make personal attacks on those who express different opinions. It's like fundamentalist religious behaviour which insists no other view has any validity at all and must be condemned.

In academic circles there used to be plenty of both right-wing lecturers and left-wing lecturers who would enjoy challenging one another while still managing to stay friendly. They could completely disagree, but always assume the other had come to their different conclusions with the best of intentions.

Too often now, people do not give those with other views the benefit of the doubt, and will accuse them of being dishonest/stupid/greedy/thick/elitist/privileged/uneducated/gullible/selfish instead of people doing what they genuinely think is good and right. The default now is to attack people's character.

As a young person 20+ years ago my friends included some with left-wing and anti-Thatcherite views, some quite staunch Tories, some centrists, some people who were socially liberal and some who weren't. They were all considerate, kind and thoughtful and it never occurred to us that we couldn't possibly be friends with someone of a different political persuasion.

[grimeofthecentury]

Mumsnet seems to me to be entirely London centric. People have exciting jobs or are SAHMs in Islington or St Johns Wood. This affects the views of those posting. If posters aren't from London they're from either Scotland or somewhere impossibly rural, in a listed cottage down an impassable track, Devon or the Brecon Beacons or something. No one seems to just be suburban with kids at a normal suburban School with normal jobs. This is my view. I'm being a bit light hearted

[surferjet]

I'm guessing they grew up longing to be the cool misfit, misunderstood by all; the young man who attracted sensitive, intelligent women, who would spend hours lying by their side, wandering through the labyrinth of their sun-dappled minds, and would then articulate their beautiful self back to them in words of soft poetry

WTF?
I’ve read some crap on here over the years but this is priceless 😂

[RebeccaBunch]

Lately I feels like 75% on MN is a right wing nasty party club. It gets increasingly Tory every day.