To wonder why MN is so left wing/liberal?

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MN hates Brexit, the tories, pink toys, violent video games... you get the idea. But in real life most women don't mind buying gender specific toys/clothes and the election/brexit female vote was about 50/50. So what makes this place 90% lefty/lib when general society is either split or completely reversed?

"So we should ignore Corbyn, Bert? No way.
His fault the DUP wankers hold sway."

Of course we shouldn't ignore him....

Hang on- it's Corbyn's fault the DUP are holding sway? How do you work that one out?

Make seems to think that sordid handshake between Corbyn and Adams Just after Brighton was as momentous and significant as Mandela and DeKlerk Which is comical enough, I agree.

But I would like to know what makeourfuture intended it to mean?

Oh, so Corbyn should have just made sure he got more votes. You should tell him-I bet he never thought of that!

Forget the man and concentrate on right wing vs left window policies. Nobody can defend the mess the tories have got us and the fact that they don't how to get us out of it. Left wing government is needed, with or without corbyn.

*wing of course

So Mr Corbyn is a peacemaker?

Can you explain to us then why he advocated and lobbied the UK Gov't to impose a United Ireland that would have handed a victory to the Prov-IRA? Do you suppose that ignoring the democratic will of the people of NI ( the vast majority wanted union) as Mr Corbyn wanted, would have brought about peace?

Also, can you tell us why he never took part in any dialogue with the Unionists?

And why he voted against the Anglo Irish Agreement? Because I've always found those things an odd thing for a 'man of peace' to do?.

Blessed are the peacemakers...

The problem is, you need to know when to make peace and when not to.

The IRA had very clear aims and were also open to compromise and talking.

But the Islamic extremists that Corbyn hangs around with want nothing less than the total destruction of the Jews in Israel. They're not interested in a two state solution or compromise.

In their case, negotiating looks a lot more like foolish appeasement with Hitler than pragmatic compromise with the IRA.

Corbyn just seems to always side with the glamourous and edgy rebels from whichever group is currently trendy with the left rather than making a sober assessment of the chances of bringing peace via a certain group.

But the Islamic extremists that Corbyn hangs around with want nothing less than the total destruction of the Jews in Israel. They're not interested in a two state solution or compromise.

You are saying compromise is impossible. What is the alternative?

Peace should always be at least an option. It may not work, it may take a while, it may mean having tea with people you would like to throw in a dark cell forever.

What is the alternative?

The alternative is not a poseur and apologist for violence and prejudice.
Not a hard person spec. really.

"Poseur"???

And what's your alternative? Bearing in mind that you are starting from where we are?

poseur

I am not sure about this word you keep using. What do you mean?

I have lived in Britain for quite some time, but a few slangs still throw me. I am not sure about "geezer". "Cheeky" seems to mean different things at different times. "Sorry" seems to run all the way from "please forgive me" to "eff you".

You are saying compromise is impossible. What is the alternative?

No, I'm saying compromise is impossible with some people. If you've got people who are openly anti-Semitic and want the state of Israel destroyed, or Jihadis who want a worldwide caliphate, there's probably little point trying to talk or compromise. And lifting these people to the state of respected partners endorses their stance when we should be listening to those who are more peaceful. Corbyn doesn't seem to know where to draw the line, although some of his work with Hamas may be positive.

As you know - peace [albeit imperfect] was sought and eventually achieved in NI makeourfuture. But critically this was achieved by both the UK and Irish Gov'ts. As well as all the relevant political parties in the province working together and reaching a compromised deal.

Mr Corbyn played no part whatsoever in that process and neither did he ever once work towards peace in NI. indeed he actively worked against peace, by refusing to endorse and sign the Anglo Irish Agreement. Thus siding with the most violent and belligerent of Nationalist/Republican groups, the PIRA. He offered his full support to the PIRA who with Sinn Fein, were the only Nationalist/Republican party to refuse to sign. And as the SDLP's Seamus Mallon, (one of the true architects of peace in NI) said: "He (Corbyn), very clearly took the side of the IRA and that was incompatible, in my opinion, with working for peace.’

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/abbott-declared-support-for-ira-defeat-of-britain-rp79dvvmk

Corbyn publicly rejected the peace process and as ex- PIRA terrorist Sean O’Callaghansaid :Corbyn ‘played no part ever, at any time, in promoting peace in NI' and any suggestion otherwise is ‘a cowardly, self-serving lie’

www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2017/corbyn-and-mcdonnell-have-blood-on-their-hands-for-ira-support-claims-exterrorist-35744491.html.

I personally no longer vote Labour, nonetheless I completely agree with the poster who said we need a strong and effective left wing in British politics, indeed we do...

I can't though for the life of me see how anyone can stomach this man as Labour leader.

I personally no longer vote Labour

Well I mean, you do know that Labour leaders are elected now by membership?

Are you saying that you would not vote Labour ever? Or would be open to voting Labour if there was a different leader?

And is your voting choice determined by how much you like a party's leader?

It is determined by what I think of the leader. Which is not a new thing.

Because I too find endless discussions about Jeremy tiring.

Tory ideology is that of Social Darwinism, a brute and unthinking survival of the fittest (with many starting with an advantage).

To me Jeremy has realigned Labour's philosophy in a way that offers an alternative. But he is just a man.

A poseur is "a person who behaves affectedly in order to influence others".
Has his photo taken with terrorists to look cool for the kids- in the 80s when I was in my early 20s. Guess I was his target market. The alternative was Thatcher. Loads of scumbags like him tried to seduce voters with radical politics.
Does the same shit now.

Tired of hearing about JC, make? Tough.

I admire Corbyn and May. Both are very good people, in it to do good. They could have made a lot of money doing something else. Just because I vote Conservative does not mean I cannot appreciate that as many Labour MPs are good as Tories. It is just we have different views on how to achieve particular ends.

Discussing issues with people of different views is always good for all of us. Only by talking to do you get to understand people's positions.

Yes I do realise that and you needn't be condescending.

I don't consider myself right or left. I'd be happy to consider voting Labour again should it rid itself of Mr Corbyn: a man who was on friendly terms with those that tried to assassinate the woman who held the office he now aspires to.

I would also vote Labour again if he was dumped. As long as he wasn't replaced with a similar git like MacDonald.

Tired of hearing about JC, make? Tough.

No, please, I can go on and on.

For instance this poseur question. You feel that people who talk about change and difficult areas of conflict are only "real" if they engage in acts of physical resistance?

Authenticity is key?

Excellent, so you recognise the need for left wing government.

Now I genuinely have no idea what you are trying to say, make.