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To wonder why MN is so left wing/liberal?

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cdvegan2023 · 06/12/2017 16:41

MN hates Brexit, the tories, pink toys, violent video games... you get the idea. But in real life most women don't mind buying gender specific toys/clothes and the election/brexit female vote was about 50/50. So what makes this place 90% lefty/lib when general society is either split or completely reversed? Confused

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GoingIn · 10/12/2017 19:43

wonder if OP still feels MN is so left wing.

BertrandRussell · 10/12/2017 19:47

I don't actually know a lot about Venuzelan politics. (Interestingly, neither did the Conservatives until the summer, when it became a useful stick to beat Corbyn with).But Corbyn certainly seems pretty isolated in the Labour Party in his support for Maduro- who seems a deeply unpleasant individual. Who knows what his thinking is? I am not a Corbyista. You can be a leftie without being a Corbyn fan, you know.

BertrandRussell · 10/12/2017 19:51

So, any comments on Conservative links with Saudi Arabia? Or, if we're going historical- with Pinochet?

PiffleandWiffle · 10/12/2017 20:01

So, any comments on Conservative links with Saudi Arabia? Or, if we're going historical- with Pinochet?

Ah yes, those links - the ones Labour totally severed when they were in power.

GinsAndTonic · 10/12/2017 20:04

"So, any comments on Conservative links with Saudi Arabia? Or, if we're going historical- with Pinochet?"

We trade with Saudi Arabia, but we don't exalt their form of government or wish to import it over here. Do you understand the difference?

shhhfastasleep · 10/12/2017 20:11

Here's a comment in Tory links with Saudi Arabia- fucking disgusting.
Corbyn is still a poseur, a shifty shit and a stupid git.
Why do Corbynistas think that everyone who hates Corbyn is a Tory.

BertrandRussell · 10/12/2017 20:18

"Why do Corbynistas think that everyone who hates Corbyn is a Tory."

Why do people think that everyone of the Left is a Corbyn supporter?

GoingIn · 10/12/2017 20:19

the truth is that the labour manifesto spoke to a lot of people who have been struggling under the tory/lib-con governments. Doesn't mean they are corbynistas.

BertrandRussell · 10/12/2017 20:21

"We trade with Saudi Arabia, but we don't exalt their form of government or wish to import it over here. Do you understand the difference?"

So selling repulsive regimes guns is fine so long as you don't agree with them?

shhhfastasleep · 10/12/2017 20:25

Then don't enable Corbyn.

BertrandRussell · 10/12/2017 20:32

"Then don't enable Corbyn"

I would rather have a Labour government led by Corbyn than a government formed by any other party. Because we have a parliamentary democracy, not a presidency.

Creature2017 · 10/12/2017 20:34

Just so our Labour friends can remember their party's policies on Saudi......www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/mar/15/freedomofinformation.saudiarabia

Dapplegrey · 10/12/2017 20:46

I am not a Corbynista
Really Bertrand?
You jump to his defence pretty quickly when he's criticised.

BertrandRussell · 10/12/2017 20:52

What I can't understand is why people think that those on the Left blindly agree with everything the Labour Party in and out of government has done. They bring out something like a magician pulling a rabbit out of a hat shouting "Aha! Look at this left wing person/policy/statement -how can you possibly agree with them/it?".

To which the answer could quite well be "I don't. But I still want my government to be of the left rather than of the right".

GinsAndTonic · 10/12/2017 20:52

"So selling repulsive regimes guns is fine so long as you don't agree with them?"

The reality of selling arms is that many of the regimes that want to purchase them are repulsive. We could choose not to sell to them, but that would obviously come at a cost to British jobs and industry.

But again, the Conservative leadership has no interest in importing Saudi governance, economics, and ideology to Britain. However, good old Jezza and his useful idiots on the left (Owen Jones being the exemplar par excellence) have looked to Venezuela as a model for their brave new world for years:

capx.co/venezuelas-useful-idiots-have-gone-quiet-i-wonder-why/

Of course, one of Chávez’s foremost fans was the man who now leads the Labour Party. At a pro-Chavez rally in London, Jeremy Corbyn said: “Chavez … showed us that there is a different, and a better way of doing things. It’s called socialism”.

At a pro-Venezuela event in the UK, Diane Abbott opined: “[Chavez] showed the region that it was possible to do things differently … I feel particularly passionate about defending the revolution of Venezuela and the Chavez legacy.”

These are the people you want to lead Britain.

GinsAndTonic · 10/12/2017 20:57

To which the answer could quite well be "I don't. But I still want my government to be of the left rather than of the right".

No problem, that's your democratic right. But when Corbyn and Abbott and McDonnell fuck this country beyond imagination, don't pretend you had no idea what their ideology is and who their friends are.

BertrandRussell · 10/12/2017 20:58

"I am not a Corbynista
Really Bertrand?
You jump to his defence pretty quickly when he's criticised."

Only when I think the criticism is unjustified. I feel very strongly that it should be possible to be in favour of a united Ireland without being accused of supporting terrorism, for example. And he has had a very long life in political activism. He is bound to have met people and said things which, if he had had his eye on the Prime Ministership he might have handled differently. But no, I did not vote for him.

GoingIn · 10/12/2017 20:59

Gins, they won't be any worse than DC, TM etc.

BertrandRussell · 10/12/2017 21:05

"But when Corbyn and Abbott and McDonnell fuck this country beyond imagination, don't pretend you had no idea what their ideology is and who their friends are"

As opposed to the magnificent state the country is at the moment? Hmm

Out of interest, what do you think their ideology is?

shhhfastasleep · 10/12/2017 21:06

Very possible to be in favour of a United ireland without licking the arse of sectarian murderers. It's the poor judgement that is so scary.

makeourfuture · 10/12/2017 21:18

There is not much use in comparing Venezuela to Britain. Latin American political and social history is very different.

GinsAndTonic · 10/12/2017 21:21

As opposed to the magnificent state the country is at the moment?

The fact that the country could be in a better state hardly precludes the possibility of it entering a far worse one under Labour.

Out of interest, what do you think their ideology is?

Hardline socialist, left authoritarian, anti-capitalist, anti-Western. That's enough to despise them a thousand times over.

shhhfastasleep · 10/12/2017 21:27

Those Venezuelans deserve that shit, do they? Interesting concept.

pointythings · 10/12/2017 22:07

I think posting a link from 2007 is pretty damn feeble.

GoingIn · 10/12/2017 22:24

Wow this is getting heated in here. The truth which we all agree is that this country is messed up and in a terrible state after years of failed policies under tories.