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‘Uneasy lies the head that wears the crown’ - as it should be! Trump thread continued.

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TheClaws · 05/12/2017 05:30

From Shakespeake’s Henry IV, Act 3 Scene 1.

Old thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3094156-All-we-want-for-Christmas-is-an-IMPEACHMENT-Trump-cont

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 13/12/2017 14:03

Ooh are the knives out already?

Gov. Mike Huckabee‏Verified account
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Roy Moore won’t concede; says will wait on God to speak. God wasn’t registered to vote in AL but the ppl who voted did speak and it wasn’t close enough for recount. In elections everyone does NOT get a trophy. I know first hand but it’s best to exit with class.

PerkingFaintly · 13/12/2017 14:10

That's a good thread, Pain. May use that.

Lweji · 13/12/2017 14:12

At least Moore didn't win the popular vote and lost on an electoral college. Wink

Alwaysinmyheart · 13/12/2017 14:18

Good article in the Guardian here

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/12/roy-moore-defeat-trump-future-republican-party-trumpism

cozietoesie · 13/12/2017 14:40

From that article.

"The real test of the next year lies not with the president, but with his party. Only one of them has the capacity to change."

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 13/12/2017 14:44

Fab article always. I'm positively giddy every time I remember/read that the Republican majority in the Senate is now just one.

lionheart · 13/12/2017 14:47

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I am hearing from several sources there was a lot of drama at the White House last night and it wasn’t about the Alabama election. #fired. Stay tuned

AcrossthePond55 · 13/12/2017 14:51

Never thought I'd say this but good tweet from M Huckabee.

Maybe some of that dignity will rub off on his DD, Sarah Huckleberry Scandals!

Nah. Ain't gonna happen. Her job is to Trump-splain the Country to us.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 13/12/2017 14:55

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NEW WH Statement: “Omarosa Manigault Newman resigned yesterday to pursue other opportunities. Her departure will not be effective until January 20, 2018. We wish her the best in future endeavors and are grateful for her service.”

lionheart · 13/12/2017 15:02

Khodorkovsky Center‏
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Breaking: Kremlin communications watchdog has warned Twitter that if @openrussia_org account is not banned within 24 hours they will act to block Twitter in Russia.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 13/12/2017 15:06

Thank fuck! Perhaps the bots will dwindle be outsourced to China

lionheart · 13/12/2017 15:11

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I have taken
the senate seat
that was in
yr state

and which
you were probably
saving
for an alleged pedophile

Forgive me
it was democratic
so special
and so disproportionately due to black voters turning out despite significant targeted voter suppression efforts

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 13/12/2017 15:13

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Just confirmed that the Justice Department invited reporters over to DOJ last night to look at the Strzok/Page texts — and report them out — in case they did not leak in time for Rosenstein's hearing today. Story TK.

[Strzok and Page are the ones who texted disparaging about Trump]

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 13/12/2017 15:14

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This is so inappropriate in the middle of an investigation. Strzok and Page are career DOJ employees who have due process rights. Something stinks.

PerkingFaintly · 13/12/2017 15:17

Is this Australian anthem appropriate on this fine day?

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 13/12/2017 15:42

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/dec/13/defeat-roy-moore-alabama-donald-trump-republicans?CMP=twt_gu

It is now conceivable that Democrats could retake the House of Representatives next autumn, despite the structural disadvantage inflicted by gerrymandering, which means Democrats have to beat Republicans in the popular vote by seven or eight percentage points just to secure a majority of a single seat. Retaking the Senate will be an uphill climb, but it too becomes imaginable. If the Republicans were to lose the House, then the impeachment of Donald Trump would be not just possible but probable.

PerkingFaintly · 13/12/2017 15:43

I thought this was a good thread, about the invocation of the "magical negro" as a means of avoiding addressing institutional racism:

twitter.com/BreeNewsome/status/940932420416737281
@ BreeNewsome
This narrative about Black voters "saving" Alabama would imply that majority of white votersthe majority of people in the statewanted to be "saved" from Moore. They didn't. Black voters protected themselves
5:12 AM - 13 Dec 2017

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 13/12/2017 15:47

It's a good 'un perking! Someone linked to that to Holly O'Reilly asking whether it was ok to than black women for saving everyone else and I think it answers the question very well.

AcrossthePond55 · 13/12/2017 15:49

As a retired career Federal Employee I will say that our union had warned us years ago to be very careful what we tweeted/FB'd/put 'out there'. But this was more about IF a client or someone we were investigating 'found us' there should be nothing there that disparaged the Agency or was vulgar/obscene by 'community standards'. Expressing a political opinion in one's private life is a protected activity under the Hatch Act. Doing it on official time or presenting it as approved by the Agency one works for is not.

So IMO Strzok and Page were engaging in protected activity as long as the tweets weren't done on official time or posted via Govt computers or phones. BUT, we all know that what we post online can come back to bite us in the ass, so in that context they probably should have mentioned them before accepting posts in Mueller's Investigation. In such a sensitive position I'm sure they were asked "Is there anything we should know before you accept this job?".

But what really gets me is the inference that ANY Federal employee, let alone an FBI agent, is incapable of doing their job impartially, regardless of their political beliefs. God knows I worked through Administrations and policies that I absolutely abhorred, but by God I did my job impartially and to the best of my ability and prayed for better times.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 13/12/2017 15:53

Natasha Bertrand‏Verified account
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Just in, statement from DOJ official: "We often provide information [to reporters] that we give to Congressional committees to avoid any confusion."
Me: Even amid an ongoing OIG investigation?
Official: Statement stands.

uk.businessinsider.com/peter-strzok-page-texts-mueller-russia-trump-2017-12?r=US&IR=T

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 13/12/2017 15:54

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Sources say General Kelly did the firing and Omarosa is alleged to have acted very vulgar and cursed a lot and said she helped elect President Trump. The word is a General Kelly had it and got rid of her.

Melissa McEwan‏Verified account
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Definitely not that Trump ordered Kelly to fire the nearest Black woman in retribution for Black women delivering the Alabama Senate race to Jones last night because Trump is literally the human form of the conservative id, then?

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 13/12/2017 16:04

Spencer Ackerman‏Verified account
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Chabot running through names that members of the Mueller probe who "gave nothing to Trump" while donating to Democrats.
Rosenstein: "our job to make sure their opinions do not influence their actions. I believe Director Mueller understands that."

Jim Sciutto‏Verified account
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"The issue of bias is very different. We recognize we have employees with political opinions but it's our job to make sure those views..are not in any way a factor in how they conduct themselves in office" -AG Rosenstein

Walter Shaub‏Verified account
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In questioning Rosenstein, Representative Lofgren (@RepZoeLofgren) rightly points out that it would have been an illegal Prohibited Personnel Practice to consider the party affiliation of investigators when Mueller was forming his team. See 5 U.S. Code § 2302(b)(1)(E).

Also

James Comey‏Verified account
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“Nothing discloses real character like the use of power. ... Most people can bear adversity; but if you wish to know what a man really is give him power. “ Robert G. Ingersoll (1883, speaking of Lincoln)

3:51 pm - 13 Dec 2017

cozietoesie · 13/12/2017 16:15

Interesting Beast article. Especially the last bit.

Bannon - some Republicans ain't too unhappy

ragged · 13/12/2017 16:36

Good post, AcrossThePond.
It's the whole thesis of the Trump administration, though, hostility to people who got their place by merit and presumed partisanship by everyone. You're with me or you're against me. That's why Trump asked pledge of personal loyalty from Comey (and doesn't understand the limits of his powers and why that provoked appt of special counsel), and why so many in the State dept. were fired en masse.

sagamartha · 13/12/2017 16:40

Wow...just wow...

This gives an insight into some people's fundamental views of religion and politics in the USA

edition.cnn.com/2017/12/12/politics/tapper-moore-interview/index.html?sr=twCNN121217tapper-moore-interview0953PMVODtop

Just watch the last 1 minute. When the spokesman is owned by Tapper. The spokesman claims that Muslims can't go to Congress because they have to swear on the Bible.
Tapper then explains people have a choice.
Spokesman says he swore on the Bible and so did Trump.
Tappers explains that's because they are Christian.
Spokesman looks stunned.