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‘Uneasy lies the head that wears the crown’ - as it should be! Trump thread continued.

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TheClaws · 05/12/2017 05:30

From Shakespeake’s Henry IV, Act 3 Scene 1.

Old thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3094156-All-we-want-for-Christmas-is-an-IMPEACHMENT-Trump-cont

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lionheart · 13/12/2017 09:06

'God is always in control.'

'We've been painted in an unfaithful light.'

Roy Moore.

ragged · 13/12/2017 09:16

I am curiously enjoying the Fox News coverage (although they are obsessed with the 10,000 texts).

They found folk saying "Oh even back in July the polls were very close, the sex offender allegations had very little effect. Folk just don't like how polarising Moore is."

ragged · 13/12/2017 09:16

... oh, and saying that Washington Republicans have dodged a bullet.

bumbleymummy · 13/12/2017 09:18

I can’t believe how happy I am that Jones won! I am clearly over invested in US politics at the moment Blush

Natsku · 13/12/2017 09:23

Well done Alabama!!

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 13/12/2017 10:32

Garry Kasparov‏Verified account
@Kasparov63
Trump and Bannon are truly miracle workers—the put a Democrat into the Senate from Alabama!

Grin

Lots of pundits saying that Trump hoped that Moore's victory would have stemmed the tide of the "Me Too" movement by showing the people don''t care for such allegations and also by shifting the focus onto an alleged paedophile rather than letting it fall onto him.

Sadly for him, this has shown that people do care about sexual assault (although I'd argue that maybe it's more that people were able to overcome suppression more effectively this time) and that as the most powerful sexual assaulter in the administration, the spotlight's only going to intensify on him. Happy days!

honeysucklejasmine · 13/12/2017 10:40

ragged by dodged a bullet, do you think Fox mean the senators are lucky not to have to deal with him among them, or that they are going to get away with things he would have put a stop too (in a cat among the pigeons, drain the swamp sort of way )?

PerkingFaintly · 13/12/2017 10:52

Wonderfully apposite mis-post, Pain! How we do democracy, is what this thread is about.

And Brew and Cake all round this morning. Just because.Smile

cozietoesie · 13/12/2017 11:03

I was woken by a close acquaintance.

SINGING!! Grin

squoosh · 13/12/2017 11:10

I'd never have guessed 18 months ago that I’d be sitting up bolt upright at 6am in Dec 2017 thinking ‘must find out who won the election in Alabama!’. I fully expected the racist perv to win so delighted to find out that the people, or rather the black people of Alabama, decided otherwise!

The statistics for white voters are depressing though. 74% of white men and 65% of white women voted for Moore. White women of Alabama gives your heads a fucking wobble and stop supporting racist pervs who think your place is being barefoot and pregnant and tethered to the kitchen sink.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 13/12/2017 11:18
Grin

I posted this on the other thread yesterday, when it looked as though Grieves might accept a (Tory majority) sifting committee instead of going ahead with amendment 7 and was feeling despondent; perhaps it's ill timed here because hope isn't in short supply this morning but sod it! Courtesy of Melissa McEwan:

This is a blog about teaspoons.

It is a blog about feeling: All I ever do is try to empty the sea with this teaspoon; all I can do is keep trying to empty the sea with this teaspoon. And about remembering that a thousand people with teaspoons can move more earth than a dumptruck.

It is a blog about increments of measurement so infinitesimally tiny they haven't been given names, about glitches in the Matrix so swift and subtle that they are more easily missed than noticed, about tangible particles of a thing called progress not visible to the naked eye.

It is a blog about hope—not the kind that's packaged and sold in anti-aging creams, soda pop cans, or even political campaigns—but the real thing: A hopefulness that radiates like whoa from the pores of indefatigably optimistic dreamers, who close their eyes and tilt their faces up toward the sun and imagine a future where equality and freedom are not aspirational concepts, but defining features of every human life.

It is a blog about futures formidable and vast.

It is a blog about connection, and the realization that we are all in this thing together, and the resolve to be all in, because we make a difference in this world, for good or ill, because we know there is no neutral; there is no moral ambiguity in staying silent; there is only standing up and saying no to the indignities one human visits upon another, or saying yes.

It is a blog of wildly unreasonable expectations, because unreasonable expectations are the seeds of progress.

Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., a man who knew well the perfidy of moderation, of the harm of pretending there were sidelines on which to stand, and of the need to advocate unyieldingly for progress, is not remembered for giving a speech about his resignation to the status quo. He is remembered because he admonished us not to wallow in the valley of despair and exhorted us to envision big things and told us to never be satisfied with less. He said to the world, "I have a dream," and that dream was what many people might have called in its time (and may call still) an unreasonable expectation.

Eradicating any kind of bigotry is, by definition, an unreasonable expectation—because institutional bigotry is deeply entrenched. Prejudice is ancient. Only a fool would imagine it can be overcome.

Except, of course, that it can be. Bit by bit. Particle by particle. Teaspoon by teaspoon. Person by person. Prejudice is ancient, but it dies with its every carrier and must be taught again. And it can be unlearned. Bit by bit. Particle by particle. Teaspoon by teaspoon. Person by person.

Patience, it takes, and boundless tenacity, to create people filled with expansive love and intractable respect for one another in a culture that casts us as enemies.

And it takes unreasonable expectations, the seeds of progress.

Thus, every time someone asks me, greets my bellicose display of unreasonable expectations with, the exceedingly un-progressive question, "What do you expect?" I will answer the same as I always do: I expect more.

Even now. Especially now—in a moment where we are aggressively overwhelmed by divisive, hateful, regressive maneuvering with the sinister intent to demoralize us. To telegraph that we should expect naught but disappointment; that we are helpless to do anything but stand to the side, silently witnessing the dismantlement of everything we value.

I still, and will ever, expect more.

Of course Trump is riding roughshod over our norms, laws, and very democracy. What do you expect?

I expect more.

Of course the Republican Party is abetting him. What do you expect?

I expect more.

Of course some Democrats are capitulating. What do you expect?

I expect more.

Of course lots of people aren't paying attention, don't care, turning their eyes away from the chilling creep of fascism, as if it will only matter once it starts to affect their lives, by which point it will be too late. What do you expect?

I expect more.

You can't expect for anything to be any different.

The fuck I can't. I expect more.

I'm not ironically detached, I'm not apathetic, I'm not resigned, and I'm not contemptuous of bleeding hearts or "identity politics" or genuine patriotism in defense of justice and pluralism, rooted in audacious visions of what this nation could be.

I am a greedy bitch with voracious expectations, and I dream long and lustfully of a better world that is both my muse and objective. I want it like the cracked earth of the desert wants rain, and I will neither apologize for nor amend my desire because of its remove from the here and now; its distance encourages my reach.

I expect resistance against tyranny, institutional bigotry, dominionism, and war-mongering, because it is our duty as citizens, as human beings. I expect more from myself, and from all of us, as oppressors careen toward obliteration, because complacency is complicity.

And because if we don't expect more, something better than a cacophonous descent into ruin, then we are certainly never going to get it.

Don't bother asking me what I expect.

You already know the answer.

Lweji · 13/12/2017 11:23

I was woken by a close acquaintance. SINGING!! grin Sweet Home Alabama

It's been on my mind all morning. Grin

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 13/12/2017 11:29

There's really no need to repeat this tweet of Trump's apart from revelling in the glee of knowing he's a fuckwit and knowing this is probably one of the rare times that he's feeling a bit like a fuckwit Grin

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account
@realDonaldTrump
The reason I originally endorsed Luther Strange (and his numbers went up mightily), is that I said Roy Moore will not be able to win the General Election. I was right! Roy worked hard but the deck was stacked against him!

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 13/12/2017 11:36

And the investigations continue...

Kyle Griffin‏Verified account
@kylegriffin1
Reminder: Donald Trump Jr. will meet behind closed doors today with Senate Intelligence Committee investigators.

cozietoesie · 13/12/2017 11:59

Lweji.

Wink
AcrossthePond55 · 13/12/2017 12:28

Now that tweet was written by Scrotus.

What an imbecile.

AcrossthePond55 · 13/12/2017 13:06

This song has been running through my head since last night's victory was announced. It also totally gives away my age. But if anyone else besides Bore wants to join in the tail feather shaking........

Alwaysinmyheart · 13/12/2017 13:17

PainInTheEar that was v heartening to read, thanks for posting it! 💜

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 13/12/2017 13:17

He's tweeting again (replete with spelling mistakes) but this is more significant, though obvious bull

Manu Raju‏Verified account
@mkraju
Hill GOP ratchets up criticism on Mueller, new calls on him to clean house on his team, broaden inquiry into Clintons and name second special counsel. Fresh comments from Gowdy, Cornyn, Cruz and others. @jeremyherb and me

edition.cnn.com/2017/12/13/politics/bob-mueller-criticism/index.html

ragged · 13/12/2017 13:37

honeysucklejasmine, Moore in the Senate was going to be a nightmare, that's how Republicans dodged their bullet.

No Republican wanted him on their committee or his name on a bill.
The real influence & power of Senators is in the committees. So Moore couldn't wield power on behalf of Alabama residents.
He's not just a maverick, he's a cranky belligerent man who doesn't do team-work.
Moore avoided journalists for weeks... you can't avoid them in DC. Assuming he went to work at all. He'd be chased around by journos happy to report his crazy words & attitudes.

I guess Moore could have worked in Senate to same degree that Farage & Hannan did their MEP work (ie, rarely show up). Hide in Bammie on his horsey.

Moore is STILL going to be a poster boy for the Dems, to argue what's wrong with GOP in the 2018 midterms. But much less than he could have been.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 13/12/2017 13:40

On avoiding the press:

Brian Stelter‏Verified account
@brianstelter
WashPost confirms that its reporters were denied access to Roy Moore’s event tonight: “We were denied credentials and when our reporters asked to enter they were told no.”

Lweji · 13/12/2017 13:51

Just leaving this here.

‘Uneasy lies the head that wears the crown’ - as it should be! Trump thread continued.
honeysucklejasmine · 13/12/2017 13:53

Thanks ragged

cozietoesie · 13/12/2017 14:00

ragged

The GOP dodged one particular bullet but I can't see any way that 45's personal judgment has come out of this unscathed. Maybe Javanka will take the blame?

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 13/12/2017 14:01

Black Aziz Anansi‏
@Freeyourmindkid
A majority of white voters voted for an admitted sexual predator as President in 2016.

A majority of white voters in Alabama voted for a known pedophile in 2017.

So when are y'all going to start discussing the lack of morals in your community white folks?

I'm fairly sure that none of the regulars on here would feel aggrieved at the tweet above but I saw a good explanation of the #NotAllMen or #NotAllWhitePeople phenomenon yesterday for those that might take offence

Adrian C. Jackson‏
@AdrianCJax

  1. I can always appreciate a genuine inquiry regarding #NotAllWhitePeople & #NotAllMen; join me as I take a more creative route to explain.
  2. Imaging 13 kids (weird number, I know, but it'll make sense soon enough): 10 of them wear white t-shirts; 3 of them, brown tees.
  3. Everyday, the "white tee" kids get to leave class early to attend lunch ahead of everyone else; the "brown tee" kids follow afterwards.
  4. Unfortunately, like clockwork, the 3 brown tee kids are bullied by 6 of the 10 white tee kids waiting for them & steal their lunch money.
  5. So, naturally, the brown tee kids are upset and alert the teacher: "Hey, those white tee kids keep stealing our lunch money every day!”
  6. Now, the 4 other white tee kids who aren't bullies in fact, they dislike the 6 white tee bullies are upset at what they hear…BUT…
  7. they target their frustration not towards the bullies…but at the brown tee kids: "Hey, hey, hey…Not ALL white tee kids stole your money!"
  8. And the pattern continues: 6 white tees bullied 3 browns…the brown tees address their frustration…the 4 white tees snap at brown tees.
  9. Now, if one had an ounce of empathy, you would ask yourself, "Wait…if 4 of the white tee kids hate bullying, why snap at the victims?…"
10. "…Obviously, the 6 bullies are gonna continue stealing the brown tee kids' lunch money until someone intervenes and helps." 11. Now, if you haven't reached this thought, well…fuck you very much, you selfish, apathetic, inconsiderate scumbucket of a species… 12. …but if you have, CONGRATULATIONS! You've now grasp the underlying frustration behind the phrases #NotAllWhitePeople & #NotAllMen. 13. Essentially, by repeating these infuriating themes, you're attempting to devoid yourself of any & all responsibility to fix the matter. 14. The 3 brown tee kids ALREADY know that NOT ALL 10 white tees stole their money, but guess what…it was STILL white tees & ENOUGH of them! 15. And not just enough of them…a MAJORITY of them! 6 out of 10! 16. So now, you're thinking: "Well, what possibly could those other 4 white tee kids do to resolve the issue? There's only 4 of them!" 17. Well…let's play that out, shall we? 18. So one day, the 4 white tee kids had a meeting: "Say, since we don't like bullying so much, why don't we team up with the 3 brown tees?" 19. So they went to the 3 brown tees to ask how they can help; all 3 of them said, "Well, 6 of them always bullies us on our way to lunch." 20. So the next day, the 6 white tee bullies left early for lunch, as usual, but something was different today… 21. Today, 4 of white tees stayed behind and walked with the 3 brown tees to lunch, & when the 6 bullies saw the 7 ALLIES, they backed off! 22. And the Allied 7 went even further: they confronted the 6 bullies TOGETHER to find out why they engaged in bullying in the first place. 23. Turns out, the bullies didn't have enough to eat & thought stealing from others was the only way to go, b/c they were taught that lie. 24. To which the Allied 7 had a simple solution: If they had enough to spare, share what they had with the others, as long as EVERYONE ate! 25. But that outcome would have never happened if the 4 white tee kids never bothered to SHUT UP, LISTEN, & ALIGN with the marginalized! 26. So, now that you know the harms of empty statements like #NotAllWhitePeople & #NotAllMen, how can this be applied in the real world? 27. Well, the 3 step process was previously mentioned: A. Shut Up B. Listen C. Align 28. A. SHUT UP: Eliminate #NotAll(Anything) from your lexicon. You now know those are empty statements with no positive impact for change. 29. Also, refrain from any & all forms of 'splaining (man-splaining, white-splaining, etc.); that is just as terrible, if not worse. 30. B. LISTEN: Marginalized groups have real issues that affect them that you know very little or nothing about. 31. PoC (esp. Blacks) deal w/ systematic & institutional racism. Women deal w/ systematic & institutional misogyny & prevalent rape culture. More 32. If you are white and/or male, you know absolutely nothing about these issues -- lemme repeat…👏🏾AB👏🏾SO👏🏾LUTE👏🏾LY 👏🏾NO👏🏾THING… 33. So to best learn: Listen. Engage. Ask GENUINE questions (not passive aggressive ones). And most importantly, Accept & Adopt*. 34. *there will be some who try to feed you bullshit…that's why we're here, to help you filter out the facts from the full-o-shit. 35. C. ALIGN: This. Is. Paramount. You can hold your tongue all you want. You can listen til the cows come home…they're nothing w/o action! 36. You saw how the 4 white tee kids in the Allied 7 addressed the 6 bullies? That's what WE need from YOU… 37. Got racist relatives, friends, or co-workers? Don't let them off the hook! Got a boyfriend who's low-key sexist? Call his ass out! 38. 'Cause here's a little secret: YOU (white and/or male person) have FAR MORE INFLUENCE over your peers than we do! 39. They couldn't care less about our thoughts, situations, or lives, for that matter. They do, however, care about what YOU think of them. 40. So use that power & influence to steer them from their bigoted ways. You. Have. To. Step. Up. To. Achieve. Significant. Change. 41. So, now that you're fully enlightened about the pitfalls of #NotAll'ing, the onus is upon you to implement this knowledge moving forward 42. Be a better ally. Become a Champion for others. Don't desire praise or recognition, but strive for progress & purpose.

We. Got. This.✊🏾