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To think that bit is impossible to live off of benefits?

748 replies

Rolf38 · 30/11/2017 21:49

So Universal Credit rates are £498.89 an adult couple over the age of 25. This is meant to last them one whole month. So £250 per adult which works out at about £60 per week or just £8.57 per day.

How is someone meant to buy food, pay their bills and maintain a jobsearch at these rates?

I understand that some may think that by setting benefits at a low rate, there will be a greater incentive for recipients to return to work. This I understand and agree with to a point.

Surely though that danger of setting benefit rates too low is that it has the opposite effect. Claimants may reun the risk of getting in to debt, depression and lose the desire to maintain an active job search, along with any ambitions and aspirations they ever had.

Is met ting benefit rates too low a precursor to the increase of long term benefit claimants, simply by affording claimants less resources and willpower to maintain their job search?

After all, say if have been unemployed fir or three months. In this time, you have been so cash strapped that you haven't even been able to go to the cinema or meet an old friend, as bills and increasing debts have taken priority.

Without just a bit of enjoyment to boost morale, how less determined would a claimant be to give their job search their all as they would be if they could take their mind off of it for a bit.

For the couples payment too, I wouldn't be surprised if such a low payment to sustain two adults for a month may cause friction in the relationship, adding further restrictions to morale and job search.

Of course taxpayers money should be treated with the utmost respect.

However, is keeping benefit rates at such a low level proving more costly in the long run?

Why not add an incentive for job search for claimants? Increase UC payments by 10% for those who continually do all they can for their job search over a sustained period (say three months).

Such an increase, just form he most committed in their job search, would act as a continued incentive for the most determined to find work quicker (thus reducing long-term burdens on the taxpayers). Restricting an enhanced payment to just the most committed would also ensure that those not committed to athe or jobsearch and envisage a long-term existence on benefits find that this, beyond subsidence level, is not sustainable.

If you are doing everything you can in your jobsearch, why should you be unable to afford very basic enjoyments (even on a very occasional basis)? Why are those who put in the effort, in testing times, not differentiated from those who show no desire to come off benefits.

Perhaps in addition to sanctioning claimants who do not fulfill their commitments, the government should do more to help and reward the positive attitude to do all they can to get back to work.

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expatinscotland · 10/12/2017 16:45

There's no need to justify yourself, Gilead, people like Kath will just accuse you of not taking responsibility for yourself and have zero understanding of conditions like PTSD, thinking, 'Well, we all have sad things happen to us,' therefore implying you have a moral and personal failing.

scampiandchips1 · 10/12/2017 17:33

Apologies I shouldn't have said that. My pint came out wrong. If anyone is unable to work for any disability they have I strongly believe they should be entitled to a lot more benefits than what they currently get from our government

Gilead · 10/12/2017 17:42

Thank you for the apology scampi. Flowers

Cabininthewoods69 · 11/12/2017 23:42

When I'm old and in a care home I won't be relyi g on the government Il be paying for my care with savings and house sales. Unless that's changed now. I agree more support for those who can't work. And support for those who struggle to work, so maybe they can.

DullAndOld · 13/12/2017 14:32

its easy for people who live in London and the South East to say 'just get a job' - try living in fucking West Wales or somewhere. I dont even get answers to my few job applications.

I am 53 and depressed and dont have a husband.
And let's be honest here, i bet the smuggest 'get a job' characters here are at least partially living off their husbands in return for spreading their legs.:)

IveGotBillsTheyreMultiplying · 13/12/2017 14:36

Gilead

Just wanted to say you write very well about your experiences. Sorry that you have had such a bad time and hope you can recover to enjoy all those things we take for granted.

chickenowner · 13/12/2017 15:03

And let's be honest here, i bet the smuggest 'get a job' characters here are at least partially living off their husbands in return for spreading their legs.

So because someone says something that you don't agree with, that means that they a prostitute?

I have read some nasty stuff on here but I think that is just about the nastiest.

Biscuit
Lollipop30 · 13/12/2017 15:13

@Dullandold
I would imagine you’re doing something wrong then. From just your username I would suggest you need a little more self worth and a boost in your self confidence

christmaspudding1 · 13/12/2017 15:29

dull wow that was uncalled for

Viviennemary · 13/12/2017 15:47

I'm ignoring you ridiculous remark. But you need to look at yourself for your own good. At 53 you are not old. Look at people like Joanna Lumley. Get a grip and be more positive about life. And this is coming from somebody who hasn't always been positive. But this negative feeling sorry for yourself and can't do this and can't do that. Can't get a job because your old and boring and live rurally. It's nonsense.

BrokenHollandaise · 13/12/2017 16:06

What a lovely comment (!)

DullAndOld · 15/12/2017 15:03

" I have read some nasty stuff on here but I think that is just about the nastiest."

well they say that truth hurts. sorry, but prostitutes exchange cash for sex, and I don't really see married women as any different to that.

I wouldn't even mind, that's life, but then to have to listen to them bleating to single women 'get a job' or whatever, really grates.

DullAndOld · 15/12/2017 15:04

and before anyone starts yes I am totally depressed and do not get answers to my job applications. Even that cunt in Italy that offered me a job has now backed down.

DullAndOld · 15/12/2017 15:09

and no it's not ridiculous to find oneself in such a situation after raising a family single handed. Thank you.

caringcarer · 15/12/2017 15:20

I don't get how some people like the woman spending £2000 on her kids at Christmas has so much more than other people. Needs are generally the same; food, electric, gas, clothing etc. Some get far too much and others get hardly any. It is not a fair system. Being disabled sometimes but not always mean your costs are higher. I think each person's needs should be assessed on an individual basis following formula.

scampiandchips1 · 15/12/2017 15:24

Caringcarer
I totally agree, the system seems so unfair on so many people. Yet there are others who are completely relishing in, like the lady you mentioned, and they seem to be the ones who don't really need it!

This video by Russell Kane (comedian) on Universal Credit is quite funny, but also very true!

DeloresJaneUmbridge · 15/12/2017 16:20

The comment regarding Joanna Lumley is also ridiculous. Look at her life...she was born into wealth and has remained wealthy. Utterly ridiculous to compare her in any way to someone who didn't have those same advantages in life.

scampiandchips1 · 15/12/2017 16:24

Maybe they were just comparing to Joanna Lumley's youthful looks and energy rather than anything else.
53 is definitely not old! Whether you are rich or poor.

MyDcAreMarvel · 15/12/2017 17:57

I think people are being very unfair about the lady who spent £2k on her dc at Christmas.
She is disabled so should have money left over to treat her dc. Why shouldn't she save £38 a week out of her payments.

DeloresJaneUmbridge · 15/12/2017 18:04

Yep....I think if you have to envy someone on benefits due to disability your life must be pretty shit. You can have her benefits...but you have to take her disability too. Surely nobody is so envious that they want that. If that allows the person to save for a better wheelchair (only very basic chairs funded) and they choose to use some of that money on their children then good for them.

My friend gets a fair amount of benefits due to disability and she has two children. She possibly brings in more than I do....but trust me I wouldn't want to swap places and have her pain and mobility issues. Nor do I begrudge her a penny she gets.

I also agree that 53 is not old....oh no Grin and that has nothing to do with me being nearly 52...,honest.

christmaspudding1 · 15/12/2017 18:47

but benefits and allowances range hugely,also with a disability needs/costs can have a huge range

i in some peoples eyes i would seem to get alot in benefits due to disability and yes i do spend a fare bit at christmas

i can because mine is mostly mental health Bipolar and yes we like to spend,thats one of the signs,but i dont have to pay for adaptions,medical needs etc etc which people with physical needs very often have to so i can see how this women could afford itgetting in to debt

she wont be capped unlike a bog standard single mum/dad which really are living on the bottom rung and Christmas must be a huge worry as the rates for the are very basic

so yes it is possible but at a cost

christmaspudding1 · 15/12/2017 18:48

and not getting in to debt

flapjackfairy · 15/12/2017 19:03

My son has aspergers and after his pip assessment has been given £ 21 a week to help with travel costs !!
That is it. If he didnt have a family to look after him he would be destitute and homeless . He like many others falls through the cracks.

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