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To think that bit is impossible to live off of benefits?

748 replies

Rolf38 · 30/11/2017 21:49

So Universal Credit rates are £498.89 an adult couple over the age of 25. This is meant to last them one whole month. So £250 per adult which works out at about £60 per week or just £8.57 per day.

How is someone meant to buy food, pay their bills and maintain a jobsearch at these rates?

I understand that some may think that by setting benefits at a low rate, there will be a greater incentive for recipients to return to work. This I understand and agree with to a point.

Surely though that danger of setting benefit rates too low is that it has the opposite effect. Claimants may reun the risk of getting in to debt, depression and lose the desire to maintain an active job search, along with any ambitions and aspirations they ever had.

Is met ting benefit rates too low a precursor to the increase of long term benefit claimants, simply by affording claimants less resources and willpower to maintain their job search?

After all, say if have been unemployed fir or three months. In this time, you have been so cash strapped that you haven't even been able to go to the cinema or meet an old friend, as bills and increasing debts have taken priority.

Without just a bit of enjoyment to boost morale, how less determined would a claimant be to give their job search their all as they would be if they could take their mind off of it for a bit.

For the couples payment too, I wouldn't be surprised if such a low payment to sustain two adults for a month may cause friction in the relationship, adding further restrictions to morale and job search.

Of course taxpayers money should be treated with the utmost respect.

However, is keeping benefit rates at such a low level proving more costly in the long run?

Why not add an incentive for job search for claimants? Increase UC payments by 10% for those who continually do all they can for their job search over a sustained period (say three months).

Such an increase, just form he most committed in their job search, would act as a continued incentive for the most determined to find work quicker (thus reducing long-term burdens on the taxpayers). Restricting an enhanced payment to just the most committed would also ensure that those not committed to athe or jobsearch and envisage a long-term existence on benefits find that this, beyond subsidence level, is not sustainable.

If you are doing everything you can in your jobsearch, why should you be unable to afford very basic enjoyments (even on a very occasional basis)? Why are those who put in the effort, in testing times, not differentiated from those who show no desire to come off benefits.

Perhaps in addition to sanctioning claimants who do not fulfill their commitments, the government should do more to help and reward the positive attitude to do all they can to get back to work.

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expatinscotland · 30/11/2017 22:30

It's a fucking disgrace and has cost a fucking bomb. YANBU

RafikiIsTheBest · 30/11/2017 22:30

Personally, I've been hoping they would cut benefits for those able to work and increase them for those who cannot due to ill health and those that are working but don't have the funds for 'fun' things.

DP and I have, for the most of our adult lives, worked full time and yet have to check finances before we can go to the cinema or grab a coffee with friends. It's not just an expectation of life to be able to afford these things. We scrimped and saved for years to be able to afford a holiday abroad and yet I know families with children on benefits that have been to the same country (not sure about the quality of hotels as it's the first holiday abroad for me).
Yet when I was unable to work due to health issues I could only claim PIP because my DP worked and apparently earned too much. I tried ESA or Universal Credits but got rejected and needed to dispute it, which is hard when you're dosed up on extremely strong painkillers and still in agony everytime you move. The whole system needs a shake up, but I don't think this is a solution, good or bad.

DoesHeWantToOrNot · 30/11/2017 22:33

The weeks I can't work I have to live on 60 quid a week tax credits. If I can work then I get 90 quid.

The only help I get is my rent paid but I still have 100 council tax and electricity/phone bill every month.

So really I'm living off about 10 a week.

Whoyagonna · 30/11/2017 22:34

I don't think they are taking the long view at all. Depression, lack of money for proper food, that can cause all sorts. I would fucking love to be working. Love! But alas, here I am, in my hovel.

expatinscotland · 30/11/2017 22:34

'Personally, I've been hoping they would cut benefits for those able to work and increase them for those who cannot due to ill health and those that are working but don't have the funds for 'fun' things.'

So someone who gets made redundant in their 50s or early 60s, who's been paying in for possibly decades, should be punished because they're unemployed? Wow.

Missonihoni · 30/11/2017 22:36

Today 22:15 Whoyagonna

It's impossible to live off.

It clearly isn't plenty of people manage it might not be enjoyable but it isn't impossible.

quizqueen · 30/11/2017 22:37

My state pension is about £600 monthly ( paid for from 30 years of National Insurance contributions), out of which I pay £140 council tax. I am a qualified professional but, in my time, have done cleaning, driving taxis type work as well if I needed the income. I also still work p/t to provide extra income which puts me just inside the taxable bracket. How I love going to work still and paying tax so someone on benefits can have enough to go to the cinema etc. as suggested above! There are jobs out there to had, go and get one and stop sponging off tax payers. I and others like me are not here to provide people with a free lifestyle. Don't even get me started on people who have children they cannot afford to pay for themselves.

crazycatgal · 30/11/2017 22:40

I really can't feel sorry for people on UC who live with parents and have bills to pay. A PP said that their son has £70 a week to live on and they subsidise him. I am a full time postgraduate student and have 2.5k for the year once my fees have been paid, any free time I have is spent working for free within a school so that I can get into teaching. My parents don't subsidise me.

crazycatgal · 30/11/2017 22:41

*And don't have bills to pay I meant to say.

Awwlookatmybabyspider · 30/11/2017 22:41

I think our wonderful chancellor needs to go back to school and resit his mathes, because. If he thinks people on this planet can 'live' on a pittence of £60 PW. His numeracy skills are very very sadly lacking.

DoesHeWantToOrNot · 30/11/2017 22:42

I meant to add I live with DP and our 1 year old. We never have spare money for anything and most of her birthday/Xmas presents have came from the charity shop.

DullAndOld · 30/11/2017 22:44

I live in substandard damp housing and HB only pays the equivalent of three weeks in four.
Therefore from JSA of 70 a week, I have to pay 20. Another 10 is taken off to repay a 'budgeting loan' I took out some years ago when i was still looking after the children. (btw I wasnt always a "benefits mum" before anyone starts)
Do the math.
For three days this week i stayed in bed because couldnt put the heating on. I was also hungry for two days.
Then you get these idiots going on about this mythical 'cushy' life on benefits.
Tossers.

Missonihoni · 30/11/2017 22:45

Today 22:42 DoesHeWantToOrNot

I meant to add I live with DP and our 1 year old. We never have spare money for anything and most of her birthday/Xmas presents have came from the charity shop.

Did you both loose your jobs after the baby came ? That sounds rough. Sad

DullAndOld · 30/11/2017 22:45

and quizqueen you sound like a tosser. No there are not 'jobs out there' in this area at my age.

ohreallyohreallyoh · 30/11/2017 22:47

There are jobs out there to had, go and get one and stop sponging off tax payers

The majority of claimants are tax payers.

christmaspudding1 · 30/11/2017 22:49

i noticed Ian Duncan Smith bailed just before the whole UC mess evolved

crazycatgal · 30/11/2017 22:50

@quizqueen Even if there are 'lots of jobs out there' it's not always so simple. People over a certain age always seemed to be rejected for retail and warehousing jobs and younger candidates are chosen.

Awwlookatmybabyspider · 30/11/2017 22:50

"The amount the law says you need to live on"

Key word there "law" so does that not make benefit sanctions illegal.

Also I'd love to see the people who pass these laws and our fabulous muppets who 'run' this government live on £60 PW.

DoesHeWantToOrNot · 30/11/2017 22:52

@miss I couldn't afford to go back to work. I needed to pay 220 before I could and on mat pay I couldn't afford it. So I had to quit.

However we both have 2 zero hours jobs and they are starting to pick up more hours before Xmas just now so that's going to help.

However January is always a quiet month for both jobs but we are used to having no money so well make it work.

Ttbb · 30/11/2017 22:52

If you can't work up the motivation to job search without cinema trips I really doubt that you have much motivation to begin with. I would imagine that the risk of going bankrupt is a better motivator.

TriHard27 · 30/11/2017 22:52

Doeshe if you are getting your rent paid then you should be getting help with the council tax too. Are you sure the council tax aspect of your claim hasn't lapsed? Might be worth a phone call to check.

DoesHeWantToOrNot · 30/11/2017 22:53

So even though we both have 2 jobs we still only have the 60 a lot of the time.

MargotMoon · 30/11/2017 22:53

The law might say that you need £73.10 a week to live on but loads of people have to survive on less.

I'm a debt adviser and we routinely see people in arrears who have deductions from their benefits - and this will be a genuine mistake where they've been overpaid.

So they'll have £11.10 taken off by the DWP, £3.70 to rent arrears, £3.70 to council tax... That leaves £55 a week.
£5 gas
£5 electric
£5 water
£5 mobile
£15 bus
£20 food
What a shit existence scraping by on that, especially in the winter.

Originalfoogirl · 30/11/2017 22:53

The main issue for me isn’t how much benefits actually are, it’s how we encourage people to get work. The cliff edge has to be reduced and there needs to be far more support for the unemployed to get work, along with employers being given better advice and support in how to reach people and take on the “less attractive” prospective employees. Those with minor criminal records, the long term unemployed, the older person, the younger person, the person with the disability can all offer something to the workforce, but employers will decide they aren’t suitable. Laws stop discrimination but these groups still find it hard to get work. Employers need to be educated in taking them on. That’s what will get more people in to work not faffing about with levels of benefits.

If I’m honest, I’m less fussed about benefits generally, I’d rather see those with a disability have their benefits doubled.

DoesHeWantToOrNot · 30/11/2017 22:54

@tri no there is no help with the council tax. Only a single persons discount which I don't qualify for.