To be surprised that M&S has a section on their website for Modest Clothing?

[Scabbersley]

here

What's that all about then? Why does it warrant its own category?

Because "modest clothing" is a thing and people want it?

Definition of modest: (of a woman) dressing or behaving so as to avoid impropriety or indecency, especially to avoid attracting sexual attention.

Is this a religious thing?

I wish they wouldn't call it 'modest'. It implies women not swathed from head to toe are immodest.

Because the rest of M&S clothing is so sexy and revealing I assume

Are other clothes "immodest" then?

I think it’s religious. Mayim bialik on her blog writes about it and she’s orthodox Jewish (Amy in Big Bang)

"I wish they wouldn't call it 'modest'. It implies women not swathed from head to toe are immodest." exactly

About modest dressing. She doesn’t write aboutm&s!

It's a fashion trend at the moment: high neck, long sleeves plus long skirt/trousers

It's just what it's called.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/fashion/2016/may/29/london-show-reflects-global-boom-in-islamic-fashion

'Modest' clothing is a thing for people from some religions (e.g. Mormons) - presumably they want to come up on Google when people search for modest clothing. Is it just a curated page of things from elsewhere on their website?

Well I don't like the name. It implies anything other than this is "immodest"

I thought we spent a lot of time telling girls they could wear what they want?

Interesting article [[https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/fashion/2016/mar/31/if-i-want-to-buy-a-burkini-from-ms-i-bloody-well-will]] in case you were planning on some thinly veiled (geddit?) islamaphobia. :)

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/fashion/modesty-fashion-shopping-covering-up-hijab-abaya-muslim-jewish-orthodox-christian-a8003726.html

There's certainly a religious aspect to it, but tbh as a very non-religious teen I would have jumped at it. The increasing pressure to have your body examined and judged by all and sundry hasn't really decreased for girls since then.

It will be aimed towards the religious. Mainly sales to Muslim women but also some to orthodox Christians or Jews. No problem with that. Just hate the name. They should call it 'covered' or something, not modest. Modest implies horrible things about women who don't dress that way.

"I thought we spent a lot of time telling girls they could wear what they want?"

Yes, we did. And who benefited most from it? Men.

Is it modestly priced?

in case you were planning on some thinly veiled (geddit?) islamaphobia

oh don't be stupid. Here we go...

I didn't know that section was there either, but I like it!

*"I thought we spent a lot of time telling girls they could wear what they want?"

Yes, we did. And who benefited most from it? Men*

jesus

thank god I was born 50 years ago. Feminism really is dead.

No, Scabbers. It doesn't.

In the same way "cruisewear" doesn't impy all other clothing is for going, like, really fast in.

As pp said, it's their clothes curated using a search term. Jeez.

www.theguardian.com/fashion/2017/sep/13/the-great-cover-up-why-were-all-dressing-modestly-now

This one is good on the various influences

Have you read the definition of modest uterus? Do you know what it means?

It is not the same as cruisewear

They should call it 'covered' or something, not modest. Modest implies horrible things about women who don't dress that way.

This. I have absolutely no problem with the section existing but I think it should be re-named.

So Cao, are you supporting the notion that a woman who wears, say, a knee length skirt and a short sleeved blouse on a hot day is inviting men to pay sexual attention to them and therefore 'deserves' any harassment. Because that's what using the term 'modest' for these clothes implies.