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to let you know how men use the Equality Act to undermine women's spaces

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pisacake · 25/11/2017 15:10

This is Liam. Liam was a 17-year-old Harry Potter fan (photo here from his Twitter).

twitter.com/iamLilyTM/status/639376063655739392

Liam doesn't appear to have too much interest in running, but nonetheless got very upset that there are women-only runs, in addition to the thousands that are open to men.

He thinks this is similar to apartheid, or Rosa Parks being told to go to the back of the bus. twitter.com/iamLilyTM/status/637324189733666816 (August 2015)

Being kept out annoys Liam. (And a lot of other MRAs alike who get REALLY angry at not being allowed to join, despite their being literally thousands of other places to run.)

But wait! An idea! If Liam says he is a girl, he will be able to go wherever he likes including all those women-only runs he was so cruelly rebuffed from.

After all, at one time the Race for Life was able to be kept relatively man-free, as Cancer Research said:

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20120528181520/raceforlife.cancerresearchuk.org/utilities/faqs/who-can-enter/index.html" rel="nofollow noindex" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20120528181520/raceforlife.cancerresearchuk.org/utilities/faqs/who-can-enter/index.html

"Under the Gender Recognition Act 2004 we are happy to accept entries from individuals who possess a female birth certificate or gender recognition certificate. However, as Race for Life is a female-only event we have a promise and responsibility to our female supporters to ensure our Race for Life events are represented by women only. Therefore, if you do not have either a gender recognition certificate or a female birth certificate, we are afraid you will not be able to participate in Race for Life. "

But this didn't last long! The Equality Act 2010 came along and it said

"A person has the protected characteristic of gender reassignment if the person is proposing to undergo, is undergoing or has undergone a process [of changing gender]". So anyone who is even THINKING about changing gender is protected, and you better be careful about crossing them.

So Raceforlife quickly deleted the requirement for a GRC, and just to confirm this.

twitter.com/CharlotteMedler/status/604486954785357824

"Hey @raceforlife what is your opinion on pre-op women running? Does having a wang mean I can't do it? Let me know, pls."

The reply:
"hello, transgender women are welcome to take part in our events, so we'd love to have you :)"

Message has got through loud and clear to Liam, a few months later Liam says he is a girl called Lily (this declaration isn't really accompanied by any action, though he has had one Gender clinic appointment, where he got some handouts about hormones).

He tells his school. Some people, including his younger sister, are unhappy about his behaviour.

But not to worry, he looks up 'solicitor' on Google, and finds a firm of solicitor who represent teenage Harry Potter fans wanting access to women & girls spaces, completely for free! www.buzzfeed.com/patrickstrudwick/this-trans-teen-threatened-her-school-with-legal-action-to-w Awesome! Free lawyers!Totally no consequences!

Emboldened, he moves on, with his MRA activity, getting a woman kicked kicked out of a neighbouring constituency Labour party:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5087503/All-Labour-officials-local-committee-resign.html

Then he's elected women's officer in his own CLP.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trans-teenager-lily-madigan-voted-in-as-a-labour-women-s-officer-mwchkhzq8

Then people point out that he seems to own a Twitter account with blowjob, rape, Jimmy Savile & curry jokes. He says it's fake then it's pointed out it's dated 2013 so unlikely to be, and finally he blames his younger brother for the acocunt and says his family is racist, sexist and homophobic and that's why he has moved on from them.

www.kentlive.news/news/kent-news/transgender-labour-womens-officer-rochester-817234

Said brother is not impressed and calls him out publicly for throwing him under the bus

twitter.com/madigan_smurf/status/933760359810428928

Lily/Liam is a big fan of Jeremy Corbyn, who for his own part has said that, as a genuine 100% authentic transwoman, Lily/Liam can do whatever he wants. www.facebook.com/MedwayLabour/posts/1506650112756340

As if all these weren't enough, he's now being sponsored for a Women in Leadership programme in by Tris Osborne, a (male, natch) Labour candidate in Luton. twitter.com/cllrtrisosborne/status/934368405993508864

Rosa Parks eat your heart out eh? Look who's got the last laugh now! Silly women wanting a race without men in it!

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WTAFisthisshit · 25/11/2017 18:09

Thanks for this Pisa I cannot believe the entire country hasn't been peaktransed by this? Clutching at straws here but is it possible that Corbyn's secretly TERF and is trying to peaktrans the whole country without attracting the wrath of the TRA's? He recognised F4J as misygonistic arsewipes and told them to do one so he can surely see through this? I realise that's not the case but I'm trying to retain some hope

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Maryz · 25/11/2017 18:11

Is that a new Twitter account for Lily Madigan? Only 25 tweets and 35 followers seems very few for a 19 year old, much less a politically active one Confused

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hackmum · 25/11/2017 18:13

MaryMary - I see from that thread that Lily has asked Owen to "work" with him. I look forward to that. At what point will Owen think: what the hell have I got myself into?

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PovertyPain · 25/11/2017 18:23

Liam's really keen to push for the tims, isn't he? Funny, that. Surely if he's really a woman, then he wouldn't be going on about trans, as he's a woman now? Surely he should only be talking about women being supported? Hmm, 🤔 It would almost suggest that trans men aren't 'real' women. But that can't be right! 🤔😒

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ThePinkPanter · 25/11/2017 18:24

Lol at I'm either on drugs or a man because I dared questioned the continued reference to HP in relation to the trans agenda Grin

FWIW I am as gender critical as they come and find this story both ridiculous as offensive.

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OlennasWimple · 25/11/2017 18:24

What's really interesting about the tweets with RaceforLife is that the account asking why men can't take part in the eventis @IamLilyTM but @RaceforLife replied, "Hi Liam" to @madigan_liam

Wonder why

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cromeyellow0 · 25/11/2017 18:25

From Lily's tweet (posted by poster MaryMaryQuiteLovely)
'Would love to work with you to put out something positive for the trans community.'

But he stood as Women's Officer rather than LBTQ Officer. Shouldn't he be putting out something positive for the women's community?

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OlennasWimple · 25/11/2017 18:28

Quite, crome, quite. Priorities all wrong - who'd have thought it?

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cromeyellow0 · 25/11/2017 18:28

OlennasWimple
Wasn't this from 2015, before he was TIM? Presumably he was then MRA.

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ferntwist · 25/11/2017 18:29

What an odious little boy.

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stopfuckingshoutingatme · 25/11/2017 18:33

This is all going going to blow us in this
Individuals face eventually

It's has to !!!!

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OlennasWimple · 25/11/2017 18:34

crome - yes.Presumably Liam was either flirting with being Lily then, or set up the account in a female name to needle Race4Life by appearing to be female (!)

Maryz - the new account was set up in Sept 2017

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BeyondAssignation · 25/11/2017 18:36

Do you think each of the women who would be affected by the primogeniture exception are aware of it? Is there a way of finding out who they are?

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BeyondAssignation · 25/11/2017 18:37

Olenna -I'd guess the screenshot is recent and it's retrospectively changed his name on there :)

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BeyondAssignation · 25/11/2017 18:37

(Since he became 'lily')

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PovertyPain · 25/11/2017 18:38

I'm just waiting for him to declare himself a lesbian.

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Maryz · 25/11/2017 18:39

Olennas, thanks. Can I just check - the account that was deleted in all the hoo-ha dated from 2013. Are we meant to believe she had no Twitter at all between 2013 (and she says that wasn't hers Hmm) and September 2017? Or is there another account out there that was deleted for some reason? If so, I'd love to see it.

It just seems odd that someone who is so interested, allegedly, in political matters, wouldn't have a Twitter account at all.

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pisacake · 25/11/2017 18:40

"crome - yes.Presumably Liam was either flirting with being Lily then, or set up the account in a female name to needle Race4Life by appearing to be female (!)"

The account was at the time of the 2015 tweets called @madigan_liam.

At some point subsequently it was renamed @IamLilyTM

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pisacake · 25/11/2017 18:44

Accounts:
January 2013 @liamlxiam ('rape Liam'), recently renamed to @jumpingjacka to hide it and pretend Twitter deleted it twitter.com/jumpingjacka

December 2014 @madigan_liam renamed ~2016 to @IamLilyTM

September 2017 @madigan_lily created (some deleted tweets)

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picklemepopcorn · 25/11/2017 18:51

You can't follow jumping jacks without permission.

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IHATEPeppaPig · 25/11/2017 18:52

@seagreengirl so does that mean if a biological male child transitions or identifies as a woman they would still be eligible to
Inherit titles etc.?!

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 25/11/2017 18:53

^does that mean if a biological male child transitions or identifies as a woman they would still be eligible to
Inherit titles etc^

Yes (I think)

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OlennasWimple · 25/11/2017 19:00

Plus Aug 2017 @madigan_liam (used very briefly twitter.com/madigan_liam )

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seagreengirl · 25/11/2017 19:00

IHATEPeppaPig

Do you mean that if there are two sons and the eldest transitions to become a woman legally, does he still inherit over his younger brother? I would think so, yes because the younger was never expecting to inherit, however I don't know the answer.

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