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to worry that the Grenfell Tower fire is now being used as an excuse to bully disabled tenants.

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HelenaDove · 24/11/2017 15:57

Saw this article about tough new rules for people living in flats who use mobility scooters.

I wonder if the large shopping centres who charge scooters overnight will be subject to the same rules.

www.scunthorpetelegraph.co.uk/news/tough-new-rules-mobility-scooters-362201

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LivingDeadGirlUK · 07/12/2017 22:17

I think the disaster has caused a lot of landlords and housing associations to look at their fire stratergies and realise they have been lax with conforming to them. It also sounds like disabled people are being housed in unsuitable accommodation and the HA's are trying to rectify as cheaply as possible without looking at individual needs.

If someone cant walk to a ground floor scooter store they are not in safe housing, they couldn't escape in an emergency as the lifts wont be working.

Most high rise fire policy is to stay put and let the fire compartmontation contain the fire until its put out but it went horribly wrong in London :( policy is likely to change.

Akire · 07/12/2017 23:15

I’ve just had a letter from HA waiting to electric test all eltrics in flat. Been here 10y never done it once.
Lift still broke here 7days nobody cares!

HelenaDove · 07/12/2017 23:18

Akire thats appalling.

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Akire · 07/12/2017 23:20

The part has been ordered they seem to think that’s ok then. Are they shipping it from USA do you think? It’s just lack of care and concern for people who are trapped. I could have lost my job!

HelenaDove · 07/12/2017 23:38

If these HAs really gave a shit about safety they would get rid of some of their cheap dangerous contractors.

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Akire · 07/12/2017 23:55

You think right? Lift is 10t old so should have contractors who are able to get parts and have basic ones in stock. Not like it was built in 1960s. It’s inly going get worse with every year it ages

Akire · 07/12/2017 23:57

Have written to ask their policy if I had gone out then it broke and took 7 days fix. Surely they must have plan. Not sure what my rights would be? Would they put me in accessible Hotel?

HelenaDove · 08/12/2017 00:04

Excellent point What would they have done.

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LurkingHusband · 08/12/2017 11:28

You think right? Lift is 10t old so should have contractors who are able to get parts and have basic ones in stock.

But the value of the £ has tanked since last year, for some reason. If parts have to come from abroad, they will be costing 30% more. Since budgets were drawn up 2-3 years ago, that 30% has to come from elsewhere, or - more likely. Not at all. It certainly acts as a disincentive to keep parts in the UK "just in case".

(Obviously the next budget will account for that 30%. By simply removing it from the budget.)

Lift spares are bad enough. Medicines (like the one I can't get anymore) are more problematic.

Akire · 12/12/2017 11:58

Yes lurking you are right. Lift was fixed Friday yipee went out. Went to go today and it’s broken again!!! Supposed come
Out by now to look at it so waiting see if can fix or need part and be least a week again. It’s totally cracking me up :(

HelenaDove · 13/12/2017 14:11

FFS Akire. thats ridiculous.

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Akire · 13/12/2017 14:14

We wrote complained last week we told 2h call out in office hours. Now saying no it’s 24h. But far as know still not been at 29h. If we need a part it be another week

HelenaDove · 13/12/2017 14:22

Hah And its mobility scooters that are the problem Xmas Confused

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HelenaDove · 13/12/2017 14:25

Not scooters and i realize that Christmas bunting is not important....

www.echo-news.co.uk/news/15713621.Christmas_buntings_are_a_safety_hazard_/?ref=twtrec

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HelenaDove · 13/12/2017 14:28

And yet the same org that has banned the bunting............

twitter.com/JackieJermey/status/940279311222878209

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LurkingHusband · 13/12/2017 15:17

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42336381

British armed forces veterans could have their driving licences stamped with a "V", as part of plans to improve the recognition of their service.

The move, similar to a US scheme, could see 2.5 million ex-military personnel issued with the new licence to "clearly distinguish" them as veterans.

(contd)

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HelenaDove · 05/04/2018 12:45

I wonder how the landlords are going to tackle this..............

www.which.co.uk/news/2018/04/250-fridge-freezers-fridges-and-freezers-named-which-dont-buys-over-fire-safety-concerns/

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RunMummyRun68 · 05/04/2018 13:01

What do you mean?

If they are unsafe then they are unsafe for everyone.... but they are currently within safety guidelines, not WFS are they?

HelenaDove · 26/09/2018 23:47

"The councils trying to use Grenfell as an excuse to clear estates
Becka Hudson 20 September 2018

Since a fire killed 72 people in London's Grenfell Tower, councils have been using safety concerns to try to move people out of housing estates.

Broadwater Farm Estate. By Iridescenti - Own work, CC BY-SA 3.0.

It seemed, at least for a time after the Grenfell fire, that social housing was atop the political agenda. Housing was centred at party conferences, discussed in reams of media, and organisations from across the political spectrum issued announcements, green papers, and reports on the topic. Many argued that Grenfell must signal a turning point in how the UK houses people. Amidst this discussion, we were introduced to the fire’s likely causes. There were those named individuals, from councillors to contractors, and then there were its systemic roots. A deeply embedded ‘culture’ of neglect and dispossession: the ignoring of tenants, the arbitrary revocation of crucial safety law, and widespread social cleansing of blocks, estates and entire neighbourhoods under the guise of ‘regeneration’.

Ten days after the fire and one borough across, late one Friday night, thousands of estate residents were rushed from their homes into makeshift relief shelters. Safety checks by Camden council, issued in the aftermath of Grenfell, had found the Chalcots estate covered in similar flammable cladding. The sudden evacuation was widely criticised. Residents complained about the councils’ aggressive approach, their lack of communication and rehousing options and, even as late as March this year, their disregard for residents as revelations of further safety problems emerged. Residents’ confrontations with council leader Georgia Gould went viral. One featured a woman countering Gould’s assertion that safety was the council’s priority, pointing out “for this long now you’ve allowed them to live in this property that’s been dangerous – how?”. Back up in Chalcots’ towers, around 200 people refused to leave. For them, the chaos and lack of support in leaving posing a greater threat than staying put. As one such occupier told a journalist “It [seeing Grenfell] does make us want to leave, But [...] there’s nowhere to go, and they’re not looking to move us out anywhere convenient.”

Despite the media, the promises and the reports, these catch-22s persist in estates across the country. For one, many thousands of people continue to live in buildings coated in flammable cladding. Though the prime minister finally committed to funding the removal of unsafe cladding from social blocks this May, the process is partial, and slow. And when such insulation is removed, residents are presented with a new safety battle. As Ruth from the Safe Cladding and Insulation Now (SCIN) campaign explains: “One of the most widespread safety risks is lack of insulation, in a country where thousands die every winter because they can't afford to heat their homes. [...]” She argues that unless the cladding crisis is acted on soon, “given the current standards of building regulations and enforcement, we are likely to see basically sound old estates demolished and replaced with "modern" ones where residents are at serious risk from both cold, and overheating.”

Elsewhere, local authorities are discovering that decades of neglecting and underfunding council homes present safety concerns beyond fire. In Tottenham’s Broadwater Farm estate, two blocks were revealed to be structurally unsound following ‘post-Grenfell’ safety checks. The blocks were vulnerable to collapse if there were an explosion or vehicle impact. Haringey Council’s response, too, has been speedy evacuation – this time in order to demolish both blocks. 200 households are being told they must permanently leave their homes before October, when their supplier intends to switch off gas supply. Questions from residents and campaigners have arisen about the council’s intentions, and their ability, to afford adequate rehousing whilst demolition takes place and to guarantee any new towers would be available for all the same residents, at the same rent.

What faces residents of demolished social housing? Experiences from other demolitions are instructive: the land usually sold to a private developer, and the number of social housing units built in their place slashed. Council tenants are often forced to leave their communities, enter the private rental sector or move into pricey, often inadequate and invariably insecure temporary accommodation as they await another council home that may never come. Jacob, a resident of one of the towers facing demolition and a member of its Residents Association explains: ‘Council tenants get lied to all the time. I believe that strengthening the blocks [to prevent collapse], is expensive but it would be cheaper [than demolition]. Because it’s been deliberately neglected for so long, there isn’t a groundswell of residents asking for the council to save ‘our lovely block’. But as people move people into small and temporary flats, I don’t think they’ll be happy.”

These impossible binds in which council tenants are caught, be they around heating costs or safety concerns, are not inevitable. Even as government, and the developers and contractors with which they work, continue to do next to nothing to address the housing crisis, they patently could. One recent breakthrough was the Mayor of London’s introduction of a requirement for resident ballots to be taken on estates facing regeneration, official guidance on which was released this summer. The move was a step forward in demonstrating avenues for genuine consultation and accountability, though it is has key loopholes, including one exemption for demolitions needed for ‘safety reasons’. At Broadwater Farm, it’s the timing of any such ballot that matters.

“They say they will have a ballot or consultation after everyone is moved out”, Jacob counters, “but residents will have already moved by then, and are likely to be out of the block for two years, probably even longer.” The process indeed works as a disincentive to residents interested in refurbishment as opposed to demolition. “If there is a ballot and residents vote for refurbishment, we won’t be entitled to the £6,000 payment we would if it were demolished.”. After the considerable costs of moving home, £6,000 is not a small sum to refuse. Jacob’s message to local authorities? “Don’t use safety concerns to displace residents”.

It is not a problem exclusive to Tottenham. Across the river in Peckham, the Ledbury Estate was condemned as unsafe last year. Southwark council’s response? Demolition. For Danielle, from the estate’s Action Group, this isn’t good enough. “We had been raising these safety concerns for years and they have to be taken seriously. But the job to convince everyone they’re doing the right thing by decanting us is the council’s responsibility”. It is difficult for residents to read Southwark council’s actions as motivated by concern for safety. Just last month it was revealed they claimed to have carried out post-Grenfell risk assessments on 174 Southwark blocks; in fact they had checked just eight. On the ballot question, for Southwark, the writing is on the wall. “The results from our consultation have just come through”, Danielle tells me “The majority of people want the towers saved – it is now a question of money. For the council, it should be a case of listening and taking seriously what residents want. They should have a say in what happens next.”

The disregard for residents that built towards the deadliest fire in living memory now persists even when councils aim, or claim, to be addressing safety issues. Residents are routinely ignored on safety and, when councils act, are being coerced into impossible decisions. Thousands face potentially lethal fire, deadly cold, structural collapse – or displacement and entirely insecure housing options. As Danielle says of Southwark’s response to Ledbury, ‘If this continues then people will not trust to raise safety concerns, they’ll be pushed away from wanting to make them.’ Some journalists who covered the Chalcots estate last year interviewed residents refusing to leave with an air of bemusement: why would anyone stay in a categorically dangerous home? If councils don’t listen to tenants and do their utmost to act in the interests of both their safety and their housing security, we are likely to see more of the same"

From open democracy.

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HelenaDove · 30/10/2018 17:32

Now some fucking idiot has left a petrol container under the communal stairs.

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mumsastudent · 30/10/2018 17:43

soul at Stratford there about 50/60 homeless people who sleep there

mumsastudent · 30/10/2018 17:56

people often criticize private land lords & without doubt there are some bad ones but from my observation some council & housing association ignore rules & treat their tenants worse & in far greater numbers. It seems that the laws private landlord have to obey & the things they are suppose to repair are treated far more stringently than social landlords - re Helena and the petrol container - I have read of fires being caused (south London?? I think) by people having bbq on their balconies next to their motor bikes ( neither of which they were suppose to do) Disabled people should be forced to live on upper floors

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