to worry that the Grenfell Tower fire is now being used as an excuse to bully disabled tenants.

[HelenaDove]

Saw this article about tough new rules for people living in flats who use mobility scooters.

I wonder if the large shopping centres who charge scooters overnight will be subject to the same rules.

www.scunthorpetelegraph.co.uk/news/tough-new-rules-mobility-scooters-362201

Meanwhile

www.itv.com/news/granada/topic/martin-hibbert/

Martin Hibbert was on tv yesterday/day before. Hes been left paralysed from the waist down and his daughter is still in hospital. He was in hospital for 5 months and came home in his wheelchair with no adaptions done to his home which left him housebound for 5 weeks until they fitted ramps. Hes only been given 2 years salary. Everybody that he spoke to that donated, expected the money that victims would get, would compensate them for life.

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Wait a min Lurking Husbands post gets deleted while SusannahLs stands?????

What did he say?

Oh, suppose you can’t repeat it, doh

This is discrimination. How is someone who can't walk meant to get from their flat to the designated storage area? I despair of this country I really do.

I just read it out to DH and he said to warrant doing this they need to send testers out every six months or so to test every single piece of electrical equipment in the flats.

I bet a cheap, frayed mobile phone charger or a fucking candle has more chance of setting on fire than a mobility scooter.

ShopMobiliity is on the 8th floor at Queensgate in Peterborough. I bet they aren't moved.

YY Fairy I wonder how many of those all for this kind of discrimination will be burning scented candles this Christmas.

Today is clearly a special day. My first deleted post !!!!!

I have asked MNHQ (who didn't have the consideration to let me know) why.

Funny, as it wasn't on this thread I was told I was being real twat.

(I'm prolific enough that I have no idea what that post said ...)

LH you are not a twat.

It sounds a very sensible precaution to me. It also might make those who actually aren't disabled , but who use these scooters because they are too fat too walk far, to get some exercise.

What a horrible thing to say. I'd imagine if you see an overweight person using a scooter it's the case they had a disability first and became fat second. Chronic pain is horrendous to live with and if you can't cook for yourself easily the choices available to you are generally unhealthily. The two women I know who are overweight and use a scooter have lipoedema. It's a condition which makes you fat regardless of what you eat. It's not a rare disease, either.

If a fire breaks out from a scooter at the Arndale Centre during the day it's going to be pretty quickly discovered in such a busy place. If it happened at night only property would be destroyed. Nowhere near the carnage that could happen in a tower block.

I can’t remenber what the post said but I remenber reading it and it not saying anything vaguely offensive!

But why would it just burst into flames? I know hears stories before about bus refusing scotters because of fire risk - but no one is ever sold something with warning oh yea your sitting on a battery it may just explode into flames and any moment are they?

Elton go back and read the posts on page one? Do you really think they would want to risk all their stock or pay the sky high insurance premiums?

It never ceases to amaze me the mental gymnastics involved in excusing disabilism.

I bet the thread would have moved a fucking lot faster than this and contain much more indignation if landlords were banning mobile phones for the same reason.

I can remember what I wrote now. Obviously to just repost it would be to argue with the mores of Mumsnet. Which I am sure will be explained when they respond to my question as to why it was deleted .

It probably wasn't Daily Mail friendly enough ....

LH

Elton go back and read the posts on page one? Do you really think they would want to risk all their stock or pay the sky high insurance premiums?

I don't think it would have much of an effect on premiums, because shopping centres have all sorts of things left running all night long so the increase won't be much. Plus they have sprinkler systems etc and are 24 hour manned. And the spaces there will generally be very far from flammable material and comply with H&S.

That's a very different proposition from an unattended scooter (or only attended by someone who may struggle to raise the alarm) in a cramped flat full of flammable material with lots of other human beings close my.

And yes, I do think they would be less careless of their stock than others would be of human life. Not least because neglect of the second is much more likely to lead to criminal charges.

So why arent they up tenants backsides about mobile phones and tablets and electronic cigs.

And unlike quite a few on here ive never run a washing machine overnight.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3091625-To-tell-my-neighbour-that-1130pm-is-not-the-time-to-do-washing

And i dont know of tenants recieving letters telling them not to do so But i can find plenty of examples of tenants being harassed about mobility scooters.

Its discrimination.

I’m still waiting for the actual risk - given there’s millions of them in this country and we are not bombarded with horror stories of houses burning down because of them. If there were such a risk surely they would be banned?

Don’t see how they would A- found out you have one B- make you pay for inspection or C- inforce you keeping it away from flats.

Akire Tenants have been told to either remove them or the HA will take them and destroy or sell them.

Yes I read the article at the start but why? If they weee such risk and London fire brigade said we are called to one fire a week or whatever from them, you could see your point. I agree about not keeping them in communal hallways (mine is full of washing, bikes, pushchairs- nobody’s much bothered) but in your own flat or in the lift- why?

Apparently it's on advice from the Chief Fire Officers Association. There's some info here but if you google that name and the word mobility scooter lots more comes up.

www.linkedin.com/pulse/landlords-mobility-scooter-fire-guidance-nigel-deacon

Apparently because they are so big and contain so much flammable material fires start and spread very quickly from them and they also produce toxic fumes. But, yeah, it looks like this is now the standard advice from the Fire Services to landlords.

Elton they havent provided a link to loads of examples where this has happened which is what Akire is getting at.