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to not understand how it is legal for the Daily Mail to pull stories from Mumsnet?

163 replies

CopperHandle · 24/11/2017 12:40

Surely its breaching some kind of privacy law? I couldn't copy someone's post and put it on a blog and reversing the situation, if I were to promote my own blog/writing on here it would be taken down so how is it possible for the Fail to repeatedly get away with taking information off here and using it?
And blatantly linking to the site too! Using people's usernames etc etc.

I know that they are scumbags anyway, but I can't understand how they get away with it?

OP posts:
ringle · 24/11/2017 17:17

"By submitting User Content to us, simultaneously with such posting you automatically grant to us a worldwide, fully-paid, royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive, fully sublicensable, and transferable right and license to use, record, sell, lease, reproduce, distribute, create derivative works based upon (including, without limitation, translations), publicly display, publicly perform, transmit, publish and otherwise exploit the User Content (in whole or in part) as Mumsnet, in its sole discretion, deems appropriate. We may exercise this grant in any format, media or technology now known or later developed for the full term of any copyright that may exist in such User Content."

They've changed just two things from the implied licence and implied terms that they had anyway.

One: they've now made the licence irrevocable. I can't rely on copyright to have this post removed.

Two: they give themselves the right to sub-license the content to others in any form. That allows them to write their mumsnet blogs, publish their mumsnet books, do their joint activities with chosen charitable and political groups and generally be mumsnet and hopefully make a bit of money.

I would humbly submit that in these terms they are not being unreasonable.

BUT!

[they also get me to waive my moral rights that I couldn't face talking about upthread].

LadyPeterWimsey · 24/11/2017 17:18

Don't stop, ringle - I had no idea IP was so interesting.

ringle · 24/11/2017 17:19

but!

You know the bit where the dolphin and the smaller fish are happily co-existing doing their dolphin and little-fish thing in Blue Planet? That's like mumsnet (nice dolphin) and me.

But guess who's going to come swimming along?

ringle · 24/11/2017 17:20

LadyPeter, it is the Carmen of law - mysterious and sexy at all times.

MrsHathaway · 24/11/2017 17:21

IP is very interesting indeed.

ringle · 24/11/2017 17:21

Anyway, what kind of animal do we reckon might come swimming up to join our little co-existence party? With our nice friendly terms straight out of the "balanced precedent" section of the practical law for companies precedent bank?

it's not a friendly turtle.

ringle · 24/11/2017 17:21

rofl Mrs H

MrsHathaway · 24/11/2017 17:23

"Mysterious and sexy at all times"

LadyPeterWimsey · 24/11/2017 17:23

I would have totally applied for law at university if I had been promised Blue Planet analogies...

BoreOfWhabylon · 24/11/2017 17:24

Dolphins are mammals, though. Not fish.

This could be important.

ringle · 24/11/2017 17:25

Oh bugger.

BoreOfWhabylon · 24/11/2017 17:25

m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvCI-gNK_y4

ringle · 24/11/2017 17:27

So I'm a little fish that cleans dolphins. Say a clown fish because I wish I was funny.
You guys can be your own fish.
Mumsnet is a nice dolphin because it warns women when they are in trouble and tries to be friendly.

But a massive great white shark swims up.

And starts hoovering up my literary works. And yours. And then does it again. And again. And Again.

Please play some dramatic music.

BoreOfWhabylon · 24/11/2017 17:28

see up there ^^

ringle · 24/11/2017 17:28

great minds think alike bore...

My god! This big white shark is eating up all our literary works and spitting out the bones!

Now we need to ask:

What can I do?
What can you do?
What can mumsnet do?

BiddyPop · 24/11/2017 17:29

So if, at some future pint, I want to write a book and think "oh, I already wrote a nice piece about this issue for chapter 6 on MN a few months/years ago, I'll just copy and paste that", and even if I strictly limited myself to JUST what I had already written myself, I could be in breach of copyright for my own work?

Or, say I didn't C&P but wrote it again from my teeny tiny brain, but happened to use pretty much the same words and concepts as I had previously done here, I could possibly also fall foul of MN copyright?

ringle · 24/11/2017 17:29

No biddy. Read the nice friendly mumsnet terms and conditions.

Mumsnet is all dolphin here. Seriously.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 24/11/2017 17:29
BoreOfWhabylon · 24/11/2017 17:30

What can I do?

ringle · 24/11/2017 17:30
ringle · 24/11/2017 17:31

Quick! dolphin picture please for biddy!

It's ok biddy. You can write your book.

ringle · 24/11/2017 17:32

I need a dolphin.

ringle · 24/11/2017 17:35

No! can't you see that article involves the shark "framing" the dolphin?

killer dolphins indeed. tut tut.

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