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All we want for Christmas is an IMPEACHMENT! Trump con't

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AcrossthePond55 · 22/11/2017 18:00

Dear Father Christmas/Santa, Please grant our Christmas Wish. We have been very good this year. We promise not to say shit, cunt, or fuck too terribly much unless we're driven to it by Trump CuntFuckery. Oh shit, so much for that promise! Well, we'll TRY. Thank You, the MN Viper Freedom Squad

Old thread;

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3081957-The-zephyrs-of-change-Trump-continued?msgid=73548297

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cozietoesie · 22/11/2017 21:54

Yes. Pretty worrying.

cozietoesie · 22/11/2017 21:55

It looks like a land war.

cozietoesie · 22/11/2017 22:00

Bear in mind that Russia wants Ukraine.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 22/11/2017 22:05

Ashish Bakshi‏
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Wow... “ICE wants to use machine learning technology and social media monitoring to determine whether an individual is a ‘positively contributing member of society’”// IBM urged to avoid working on 'extreme vetting' of U.S. immigrants

IBM urged to avoid working on 'extreme vetting' of U.S. immigrants

www.reuters.com/article/us-ibm-immigration/ibm-urged-to-avoid-working-on-extreme-vetting-of-u-s-immigrants-idUSKBN1DG1VT

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A coalition of rights groups launched an online petition on Thursday urging IBM Corp to declare that it will not develop technology to help the Trump administration carry out a proposal to identify people for visa denial and deportation from the United States.

[...]ICE wants to use machine learning technology and social media monitoring to determine whether an individual is a “positively contributing member of society,” according to documents published on federal contracting websites.

More than 50 civil society groups and more than 50 technical experts sent separate letters on Thursday to the Department of Homeland Security saying the vetting program as described was “tailor-made for discrimination” and contending artificial intelligence was unable to provide the information ICE desired.

Opponents of Trump’s policies ranging from immigration to trade have been pressuring IBM and other technology companies to avoid working on proposals in these areas from the Republican president’s administration.

Shortly after the presidential election last year, for example, several internet firms pledged that they would not help Trump build a data registry to track people based on their religion or assist in mass deportations.

Also

Extreme Digital Vetting of Visitors to the U.S. Moves Forward Under a New Name

ICE officials have invited tech companies, including Microsoft, to develop algorithms that will track visa holders’ social media activity.

www.propublica.org/article/extreme-digital-vetting-of-visitors-to-the-u-s-moves-forward-under-a-new-name?utm_campaign=sprout&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_content=1511306226

lionheart · 22/11/2017 22:09

Deep breath and slow dive in here.

www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/11/the-nationalists-delusion/546356/

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 22/11/2017 22:12

Yes, the rhetoric seems to have been even more ramped up recently. There was also something about Trump referring to Ukraine as "The Ukraine" which is the Russian way of referring to Ukraine to assert a claim over it, referring to it as part of Russia rather than a separate country in it's own right. That's a bit of a garbled explanation so will try to dig out what I read on it.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 22/11/2017 22:13

Kyle Griffin‏
@kylegriffin1

NBC News: A former biz associate of Michael Flynn has become a subject of Mueller's investigation for his role in the failure of Flynn's former lobbying firm to disclose its work on behalf of foreign governments.

www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mike-flynn-business-partner-bijan-kian-now-subject-mueller-probe-n823366

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 22/11/2017 22:15

Feels like a Friday

EXCLUSIVE: WHAT TRUMP REALLY TOLD KISLYAK AFTER COMEY WAS CANNED
During a May 10 meeting in the Oval Office, the president betrayed his intelligence community by leaking the content of a classified, and highly sensitive, Israeli intelligence operation to two high-ranking Russian envoys, Sergey Kislyak and Sergey Lavrov. This is what he told them—and the ramifications.

www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/11/trump-intel-slip

badbadhusky · 22/11/2017 22:21

Oh come on! Surely they’ve got enough evidence of collusion to impeach by now?

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 22/11/2017 22:27

They haven't refrained from impeaching him because of lack of evidence though - it's lack of political will. The GOP want to ram this tax bill through, paedophiles, Russians or plain Trumpiness be damned. And as they control the house and senate, there won't be a 2/3 consensus to impeach.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 22/11/2017 22:36

Lauren Werner 🗽
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"Russia has proposed ending the publication of the names of banks which finance Russian state-controlled arms producers, in a possible sign that Moscow is preparing for new U.S. sanctions.

Russia moves to shelter banks funding arms makers from sanctions

mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1DL28U

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 22/11/2017 22:39

How Russia Hawks Are Selling Trump On Sending Weapons To Ukraine

The president’s advisers are telling him “peace” can be achieved in eastern Ukraine through a provision of anti-tank missiles – and that Kiev will finance it.

www.buzzfeed.com/amphtml/johnhudson/how-russia-hawks-are-selling-trump-on-sending-weapons-to

AcrossthePond55 · 22/11/2017 22:42

Pain is right. If there were a Dem majority in the House and Senate impeachment committee hearings would already be well under way. That's why so much depends on the 2018 mid-terms.

Tomorrow is Thanksgiving. During the past 8 years we were always thankful that we had a wonderful leader in Barack Obama. This year, not so much. But we're thankful that there will be no Scrotus supporters at our table!

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cozietoesie · 22/11/2017 22:46

I see what you mean, lion. I’ve just finished it.

I thought you had some such in your close family, Across?

AcrossthePond55 · 22/11/2017 23:20

None that live nearby, cozie. We have friends nearby who are Trumpsters, but they go to her family.

No, it'll be a total Trump-bashing fest, complete with turkey and stuffing. Apropos since Scrotus is nothing more than a turkey himself and we all wish he'd get stuffed!! Grin

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cozietoesie · 22/11/2017 23:26
Grin

I hope that you have plenty of Gin. Sounds as though you might need it. Wink

TheClaws · 22/11/2017 23:51

Hysterical ...

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TheClaws · 22/11/2017 23:56

P.S. Thanks for the new thread Across. I also thought we wouldn’t see this Christmas with the Orange troll still POTUS. Yet, he is, and our threads persist. I think we should give ourselves a good piece of Cake and many Flowers for carrying on all this time. Well done everyone! Oh, I forgot - Glitterball Glitterball Glitterball Glitterball

PlectrumElectrum · 23/11/2017 00:01

Slow to catch up with this thread. Bigly place mark.

cozietoesie · 23/11/2017 00:42

We’re persisting, Claws. Smile

TheClaws · 23/11/2017 01:28

That we are, Cozie, and every little bit makes a difference Smile

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 23/11/2017 06:58

Natasha Bertrand
Natasha Bertrand
@NatashaBertrand
McClatchy: Paul Manafort took at least 18 trips to Moscow and was in frequent with Putin’s allies for nearly a decade as a consultant in Russia and Ukraine for oligarchs and pro-Kremlin parties

Exclusive: Manafort flight records show deeper Kremlin ties than previously known

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/exclusive-manafort-flight-records-show-deeper-kremlin-ties-than-previously-known/ar-BBFvRMd?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=edgsp

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 23/11/2017 07:07

Education Department considers narrowing civil rights work

abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/education-department-considers-shrinking-civil-rights-work-51331012

The Education Department wants to narrow the scope of civil rights investigations at schools, focusing on individual complaints rather than systemic problems, according to a document obtained by The Associated Press.

Under the Obama administration, when a student complained of discrimination in a particular class or school, the education agency would examine the case but also look at whether the incident was part of a broader, systemic problem that needs to be fixed.

Proposed revisions to the department's civil rights procedures, distributed last week among civil rights officials at the department, remove the word "systemic" from the guidelines.

The changes would also allow schools a greater say in how a case is handled, compared to the student or parent who filed the complaint, and would eliminate the appeals process.

The document is only a draft; a final version is expected to be published next year after suggestions and proposals from staff.

[...]Seth Galanter, former principal deputy assistant secretary for human rights in Obama's Education Department, criticized the proposed revisions, saying the civil rights office's key mission is to identify and solve systemic problems.

Galanter gave an example of a complaint stemming from a white and a minority student getting into a fight, but the minority student being disciplined more harshly than the white student. Under the previous procedure, OCR would examine that particular case but also look at whether that teacher, school or school district was engaging in other similar discriminatory behavior.

"It's a very surface level fix that certainly will make that particular parent happy, but isn't fulfilling OCR's obligation," Galanter said. "OCR is underfunded and understaffed and in order to get through all the complaints in some kind of timely manner, staff is being forced to give them superficial treatment."

Another proposed revision would allow the school or school district to negotiate a resolution agreement with the agency before any findings are released to the parent in a letter. Galanter said that was cause for concern because the parent was being kept in the dark.

"The letter may still reach the same result, but it may be completely diluted of any fact that would inform the parent and the community about what's going on in the school," Galanter said.

Miriam Rollin, director of the National Center for Youth Law, said those changes, coupled with eliminating the appeals process, were bad news for students.

"School deficits will be held accountable less for violations and parents will have less opportunity to get justice," Rollin said.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 23/11/2017 07:49

From the vanity fair piece about what trump disclosed to Lavrov

It was only as the meeting was about to break up that an American spymaster solemnly announced there was one more thing: American intelligence agencies had come to believe that Russian president Vladimir Putin had “leverages of pressure” over Trump, he declared without offering further specifics, according to a report in the Israeli press. Israel, the American officials continued, should “be careful” after January 20—the date of Trump’s inauguration. It was possible that sensitive information shared with the White House and the National Security Council could be leaked to the Russians. A moment later the officials added what many of the Israelis had already deduced: it was reasonable to presume that the Kremlin would share some of what they learned with their ally Iran, Israel’s most dangerous adversary.

And

In Israel, though, the mood is more than merely wary. “Mr. Netanyahu’s intelligence chiefs . . . are up in arms,” a prominent Israeli journalist insisted in The New York Times. In recent interviews with Israeli intelligence sources the frequently used operative verb was “whiten”—as in “certain units from now on will whiten their reports before passing them on to agencies in America.”

lionheart · 23/11/2017 08:08

Seth A. has a thread with some more detail about those early connections. Smile

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