to wonder why Corbyn isn't more popular considering the battering Theresa May/the Tories is getting?

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The Tories/Theresa May have been getting an absolute kicking in the press recently (rightly deserved) and every day there seems to be a new controversy. May seems completely inefficient and doesn't seem to know whether she is coming or going (literally).

However, I am surprised that Corbyn/Labour is not polling higher. On all the polls I have looked at his rating seems to be either equal to, very slightly above or very slightly below May. He should be well out in front at this point.

I am not a Corbyn/Labour fan (although agree with a lot of their policies) but I am wondering why is he not polling better?

And The Tories won a higher percentage of votes than they did in the previous election

Losing your majority and buying off a fringe element to stay in power? Technically a win? Yes.

But they sure act like they lost.

Technically a win? Yes.
But they sure act like they lost.

But utterly hilarious to watch them throw their authority away, after crowing in triumph at their 2016 Conference. A totally self inflicted situation. Then I recall Cameron telling Corbyn to 'Go man'. Cameron who has now been gone more than a year. Oh dear, oh dear! Still Cameron is still making pots and pots of money, which is the main thing I suppose for one such as him.

How are they throwing away their authority they are in power

This is always the mistake the left make by underestimating others they did with Farage huge fucking mistake (the Tories didn’t that’s why we had a fucking referendum) and they are doing so again what opposition what alternative plan are labour putting forward nothing

How are they throwing away their authority they are in power

Throwing their authority away is wasting time and money calling an unnecessary election when you have been adamant that you won't, then losing a slender but working majority and remaining in power with a confidence and supply arrangement with another party, which you had to promise a big bung to, and could easily turn on you, if they decided it was in their interests to do so. And this bung or the magic money tree comes after you have already told people that there is no magic money tree.

But they are still in power

And Brexit is still going ahead without Labour putting forward an alternative plan without labour putting up an opposition again the Tories will push through what they want as May will get the rebellious backbenchers to toe the line

It’s time Corbyn and co stopped
congratulating themselves for gaining more seats than predicted and put up opposition to the Tories

the Tories will push through what they want

I don't know that negotiations at the moment show "the Tories pushing through what they want".

What's more likely?

13 million people all ganging up in a massive premeditated plot of hate to deliberately screw the country, or:

13million people honestly and thoughtfully voting for the party they personally think offers the best policies to deal with all the issues the country faces most effectively and affordably?

( I get that some pp find it baffling that an overall majority of people voted for the Conservative party. But in turn, why can't they can't see that others find their vote for Labour just as incomprehensible too? Each party has + and - but certain posters on here are only willing to look at the + of Labour and the - of Conservative. But on MN, t'was ever thus...)

I'd like to hear what you think the positives of the tories are tbh, unless you think paying a percentage less tax here or there is worth sacrificing the poor and disabled, the NHS, social housing stock and many other things?

I voted for labour even though it would mean I'd have to pay more tax if they got in.

I think JC is making a good Opposition; and TM is holding it together - both at some point will be replaced as Leader of their Parties and therefore so will the PM.

For the right now - I'm happy with the status quo - given we're Brexiting. For now. There is no perspective that thought Bx was going to be easy, and 'negotiations' rarely are and take time.

I really don't understand the either/or, one-issue, and etc viewpoints expressed here. All are definitely considerations that should be accounted for but none are the End Game.

Still like JC and TM equally. Rigid on that. For now.

No the EU negotiations are utterly shambolic but where is Labour's proposals why are they not challenging the government more

But the Tories will need to push issues through parliament and they will like I said they always pull together when they have to the vote on Article 50 is a prime example of Tories in government (only 1 Tory defied the whip) yet labour sit around sneering gleefully that the EU negotiations are going so badly what use is that to us all

I voted for labour even though it would mean I'd have to pay more tax if they got in.

And? Many people did. Many people didn't.

Many more would have done if JC and JM weren't leading the party.

I'd like to hear what you think the positives of the tories are tbh, unless you think paying a percentage less tax here or there is worth sacrificing the poor and disabled, the NHS, social housing stock and many other things

That's not how this works though, momentum bots need to offer more than sound bites, with you still parroting the "manifesto was fully costed" line to make thinking that alluding to macro economics with no understanding himself and just making vague appeals to emotion is enough to make us centrist turn to JC is enough.
There was a recent study where more people still trust the Tories more with the economy than labour, before you start throwing out the memes of "muh right wing press" or "muh baby boomers" you need to think more logical than that.

Neo libralism has caused a lot of problems, swinging hard left isn't going to help, there are many many issues brushed under the carpet with regards to JC's promises, and the answer, as you have just proven is almost always boiled down to anything but the "muh evil Tories" it's nothing but tribal shit.

Pas for the NHS it needs cross party reform, it has become too politicised as you yourself are doing, there are many circumstances that have put pressure on the NHS and we have been fire fighting the issue for decades, when people say that they do not just want to throw money at it does it mean that they want an American style system.

As for Brexit, doesn't matter who was in charge it would still be a shambles, considering your a momentum bit JC would be targeted at a different angle, most probably about renationalisation and compensation, same shit show just a different slant

For me the biggest issue is that Corbyns labour is pro-Brexit.

They are not tolerating Brexit because leave won. They are pro-Brexit. And Brexit is an utter shit show. I can't get past that
It breaks my heart TBH
Labour lining up with racist, little Britain arseholes who are going to make life intolerable for the poorest in this country

Shots an overall majority of people voted for the Conservative party
Really? 42.4% of the 70% who voted. Nowhere near an overall majority. They didn’t even get an overall majority of seats.

Really? 42.4% of the 70% who voted. Nowhere near an overall majority. They didn’t even get an overall majority of seats.

Unless your trying to make a silly assumption that the 30% of non voters where all labour voters then 42 out of 70 is a majority.

If your going to nitpick over seats then until we get PR which neither of the main two main parties are in favour of then we have to look decades back before we get a true techincal term of "overall majority"

Fact is the shit show that is the current Tories still won against JC

always boiled down to anything but the "muh evil Tories" it's nothing but tribal shit.

I am not so sure.

You seem to be glossing over "red, white and blue" and "strong and steady".

But more so, again, Labour has spoken again and again about the need to focus on growth. The Tories seem to be in a vacuum on the subject.

I have reluctantly come to realise that Jeremy Corbyn and his policies are exactly what we need to sort out the mess we are mired in under Theresa May's coalition of chaos. The economists have made it clear that every Tory government leaves debt higher than ever without creating social benefit to justify it. So, i fear OP the answer to your question is ignorance and unwillingness to face facts.

People are just thick as dog shit.

make thinking that alluding to macro economics with no understanding

Are you saying that the almost universally acknowledged truism that cutting fiscal spending during a downturn slows growth is incorrect?

People are just thick as dog shit

Their vote has the same validity of your vote, unfortunately for you.

babsicle I have always voted labour, but I will not vote for them whilst Corbyn us at the helm. It us not because I read the right wing press. It us because I don't believe in him.

I will never forgive him his lacklustre Brexit performance.
I could not believe the state of the manifesto in the snap general election. It was a manifesto based on principle, it committed Britain to a number of hugely costly initiatives whilst ignoring the fact that we have to pay for Brexit. I did not see Brexit mentioned or how hugely expensive it will be acknowledged.
I felt his tax plans were divisive. If we really believe we are on the brink of genuinely having to save the NHS, then a more honest position would be to say 'if this truly means a lot to you, all of us earners will have to pay a little more". I earn 25k; I could afford 1percent more towards the NHS, for example. Instead he pandered to the self interest of core voters by choosing to "smash the rich" who were abitrarily decided to be thise earning 80k it more. Most people don't know that "the rich" already pay a shed load more tax. A person earning 40 k vs a person earning 120k, for example; the person on 120k earns 3 times the wage but pays 10 times the tax. That pissed me off; it's self serving in just the same way as tax breaks for businesses are to Tories. It was 'keep your core vote sweet', not some grand principled morality.
Similarly, the student debt thing annoyed me. It was a ploy for middle class teen votes. It was a hugely expensive promise (3 times larger than the extra money to the NHS which benefits us all) which would benefit a group who tend to end up higher earners. Where was the cancelling of costs to do a plumbing apprenticeship or a bricklaying course? Pissed me right off.
There is a fine line between principle and dogma. I want my politicians to have a smattering of pragmatism and be honest about it. I don't want a man who has put an incompetent pal in as home secretary and who claims to hold the moral high ground whilst cynically offering financial sweeteners to core voters in exactly the same way as the guys on the other side.

Hi Justanotherlurker, isn't 42% of 70 just 29.4% rather than 42 out of 70 (60%)? Just checking the maths.

It was a ploy for middle class teen votes

Working class kids aren't allowed in university in your world, oldbirdy?

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Of course they are, don't be disingenuous. I was generalising. More mc than wc teens still go to university.

Did anyone see John McDonnell (straight from the horses mouth) on The Andrew Marr Show this morning, my head bounced off the table quite a lot.

So he was talking about all the nationalisations he was going to do. Apparently in exchange for forceably taking these companies he will give them an IOU of the value he will decide and it won't cost anyone anything because he will use the profits from these companies to pay the IOUs.

That is bonkers, what the hell will that do to our country if government wont pay market rates, what if investors dont want these IOUs, what if there is no profits? Where will the money come to invest in the company, increased wages, lower prices. He could bring down capitalism overnight.

Venezuela, here we come.