to wonder why Corbyn isn't more popular considering the battering Theresa May/the Tories is getting?

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The Tories/Theresa May have been getting an absolute kicking in the press recently (rightly deserved) and every day there seems to be a new controversy. May seems completely inefficient and doesn't seem to know whether she is coming or going (literally).

However, I am surprised that Corbyn/Labour is not polling higher. On all the polls I have looked at his rating seems to be either equal to, very slightly above or very slightly below May. He should be well out in front at this point.

I am not a Corbyn/Labour fan (although agree with a lot of their policies) but I am wondering why is he not polling better?

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Or perhaps learnt to treat that desperate bullshif with the contempt of deserves? It's a mystery!

Oh yes, support of Corbyn = propaganda = potential dictatorship.

I find it highly amusing that anyone could think that the problem we have is pro-Corbyn propaganda. Have you been working round with your eyes closed for the last couple of years?

Oh yes, because the NHS is never understaffed and overstretched compared to private hospitals

The Conservatives government sold cattle prods and weapons to dictatorships, the Labour Party followed the Americans into a nonsensical war that has destabilized an already volatile region of the planet, Libya is effectively a failed state due to our efforts and we're doing nothing to intervene between the Saudis and the Yemenis.

No government is without blood on its hands.

I think they both need to sod off but corbyn would be awful in power. Socialism is parasitic

It’s like saying you wonder why Stalin wasn’t more popular given the actions of hitler! No one who has moved out of the 6th form common room political mentality would ever vote for him. He would destroy the country

Show proof of funds before treatment. List of prices on reception. Payment taken before or after treatment. If it's complicated, like the ladies from Nigeria who had premature babies here and cost the NHS about £300k and £500k each, or cancer treatment, you just look for a minimum - anything's better than no recovery. OR you just say, no right to treatment, then you have to go private. Harley street is that way.

Objecting morally to charging for healthcare is a different issue, but it's fair to say that the NHS is struggling in no small part because of the number of people using it.

"(health tourism is a huge problem)"

Ah, a Brexiteer.

What a silly connection to make. Are you for real Cardinal sin? This has nothing to do with the EU.

My friend who is an NHS administrator says it is a huge drain on resources and finances as so many who aren't taxpayers/NI contributors or resident in the UK use the service frequently. It may not be the biggest hole in the sinking ship but it's a hole nonetheless.

Who would really want to be a politician? With the best of intentions at the outset, who seriously would want to put up with the vitriol?

I'm no Tory nor Labour supporter, I don't support any particular party, but I always vote. I quite like Corbyn and I also like Teresa May and right now I'd prefer TM was in charge right now. Absurdly, I believe that (as there has been no direct confirmation from either) that TM was a Remainer and Corbyn a Leaver.

Such a shame TM has to have her Leadership defined by Brexit - all the other things she would do pushed away. If it wasn't for Brexit her recent prioritizing of increasing Social Housing would be supported. Fucking Party Politics.

That was a common thread thrown up by the Brexiteers Flossie. They never seem very keen on actual facts either.

So what's your suggestion cardinal? Just let that money haemorrhage away without any effort to recoup it? Or do you think we owe other humans a moral duty to treat them?

There has been a large influx of legally dodgy relatives, 'visiting' and 'suddenly' falling ill, making it to A&E and, oooh surprise! Advanced and chronic kidney failure which is a massive problem in the Indian sub-continent.

Other conditions have included advanced kidney cancer, Type 1 and Type 2 Diabetes (and once told what the problem is, they produce a list of tablets and injectables that a 'friend' recommended they ask for), surprise pregnancies and a variety of tropical diseases and parasites which have required expensive drugs.

The headline cases that the Daily Fail reports on are the tip of the iceberg. There is a whole slew of people who have no right to free treatment, with chronic illnesses, who arrive here 'on holiday' or 'visiting relatives' who end up costing a small fortune.

Antihelminths (anti parasitic medication) cost a massive amount privately but only £8.60 per prescription.

Health tourism does exist, but it's not as blatent as getting off a plane and checking into the nearest hospital to Heathrow.

Such a shame TM has to have her Leadership defined by Brexit - all the other things she would do pushed away

Why is it a shame? It's not as though something has come completely out of the blue as an act of Act of God, like an earthquake destroying the infrastructure of a large city. She knew that Brexit was the key issue when she rushed to push herself forward as PM. Much of the mess she is in now is in wasting time and money holding a completely unnecessary election and squandering a working majority, instead of getting on with the task in hand.

We have the Rule of Law here. The rightist press is the only one calling for its weakening.

Exactly ginger. Plus expats - e.g. My friend's DM who left the uk but came back 40 years later for cancer treatment

I rather like Corbyn - there said it. Can't stand May. No idea how she is still holding clinging for dear life to the job.

It is a really interesting question though, I do wonder if people are used to conversativism - maybe there is a hope that they might swing back to being more centralist. As there does seem to be a trend of Torys going ultra right seeing how much people can take.

My fear at the moment is that they have been allowed to go so far, that anyone left of them which includes a lot of conservatives are called "lefties" plus a whole host of other insults. I always thought most people sit pretty much central in the UK - but the way our political system works we have to choose a side - and that side may go too way one or way or the other for our liking.

The libdems and others have tried to fill that middle ground - but it has just not worked for various reasons. The idea good, execution not so good.

Proportional Representation pretty pretty please, as then we might have a hope of a fairer, more representative Government.

Until then as a middle aged person - I'll be sticking with Corbyn. Some of us not so younguns have been swayed pushed from the central ground to the left.

If we'd had PR in 2010, the second biggest party would have been UKIP. Thank god their star has waned!!

I remember pictures of Glastonbury, with the hordes of wealthy middle class students all believing that Corbyn was going to wipe out all student debt and it wouldn't cost them a penny because someone else would pay for it.

Reminded me of the hordes of Americans all believing Trump when he said his wall wouldn't cost them a penny because someone else would pay for it.

I wonder does Trump and Corbyn have a time share on the same brain cell?

I wear my Jezza tshirt with pride. He's fab. I love him

Well you see it in the crowds don't you? The faces don't lie.

You'll see the same expressions at a KKK meet or a Trump rally.

Of course the people that have gone all the way to see him are fans....

The proof is in the elections......

Rebecca now that would have been frightening. I do wonder if some of that might have been in protest - or maybe not. I can't stand UKIP, but if some voters feel aligned with them - then perhaps they also have a right to be represented.

Ps - I've cast some daft votes - as my vote doesn't count where I live. I feel I should vote - but it holds no value or will ever make a difference. Never UKIP, but Raving Mad Loony Party was a favourite protest vote.

Its interesting that people 'perceive' Angela Merkel to be a strong leader, yet Theresa May got 10% more of the share of the votes than Merkel did and has formed a government. Two months later Angela still cant form a government. Interesting how spin works.

If you think the Glastonbury reaction was exclusively about student debt, you're the one who's been brainwashed TBH.

Young people are pissed off with people who've benefitted from a reliable NHS, being an EU member state, free university education, achievable housing costs, a decent welfare state including pensions etc voting for a party who are dismantling these things and voting for Brexit.

Can't blame them to be honest.

If you think the Glastonbury reaction was exclusively about student debt No of course it was not, it was also about being drunk, high, enjoying the music and raging against the system. But a 50k+ bung each was the main thing.