To think Demi Moore was wrong

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To guess a 15 year old at the age of 19 because she was married, not because he was 15? I don’t understand the outrage. They were both teenagers and it was just a snog? Even if it was a 19 year old man kissing a 15 year old it’s not that bad? Obviously entirely different if there was any hint of coercion, but there doesn’t seem to be in the Demi Moore situation

www.digitalmusicnews.com/2017/11/13/demi-moore-sexual-15-year-old-boy/

Isn't the age of consent 18 in the US?

When I was 14 I dated 18 year olds. Two weeks after my 16th birthday I met the love of my life, and we were together for 3.5 glorious years (engaged for 2yrs). He was 26 when we met. There were a few raised eyebrows, esp from his Mum, but they soon realised how mature I was and how perfect we were together. So I've never had an issue with big age gaps; it very much depends on the couple.

I just watched the clip, and it is very cringey. Demi looks very drunk/on drugs, and the whole thing is very awkward. The boy looks pretty delighted tho, inbetween picking bits of his dinner out of his braces (not envy)

@Bloomed I just had a quick Google. Age of consent is to do with sex tho, not a lingering kiss on the lips...

It was a couple of kisses on the lips - no tongues - and she's clearly completely off her face.

Seriously, anyone who thinks that was passionate or sexual I'd have to wonder about you

A four-month-old golden retriever is not a "tiny puppy".

I doubt the woman was kicking it out of spite – she was protecting her baby. Having seen many, many, many babies and toddlers with horrible injuries as a result of bites from dogs of ALL sizes and breeds, I would be similarly defensive if a dog ran up to me and my baby in the park.

In the near future I would stick to quieter areas for off-lead walks/training.

Ooops—wrong thread! lol

When I was 18 I dated a boy in my school who was 15. I was a very young looking and rather immature 6th form student and he looked much older than his age. I knew he was younger than me as he was in school uniform and I was clearly 6th former. But he was over 6 foot tall and well built - he never got ID-ed when we went out, whilst I always did.

We didn't have sex - as I said I was very immature - and I actually didn't lose my virginity until my mid 20s. But we did some heavy petting. His friends all thought we did, and probably so did my friends too.

I wondered for many years whether it did him any harm. We were in touch for a while via social networks and he always said he was fine about it and only had good memories of me.

I work with GCSE age students now and you will be glad to hear I don't fancy any of them!

I think the issue with this is because he looks very young for his age and she looks a lot older for hers. So it looks like a mature woman in her mid to late twenties kissing a twelve year old boy. Especially as she’s bigger than him.

She’s clearly drunk and thought she was being cool and permissive or whatever, he’s clearly fine with it, but it just looks wrong on every level. I don’t get what the hell she was thinking to snog him.

He looks a lot young than 15. The fact that this video is in the public domain is gross.

I don't think her being bigger/taller than him is the issue, plenty of women are taller than their husbands. She just looks older in the face than he does.

I remember meeting a couple in vagas. There was a clear age gap. He looked 50s, she 30s. Nothing wrong in that per se. Lots of (especially older men with women) age gaps. In fact the general consensus on mum's net seems to be older guys are more desirable. They where a really happily and in love couple, great people. But then one of my friends asked how long they been together. They were a bit cagey and admitted about 20 years. You could see the looks on our faces as we did the math. It was revealed in conversation that She was 14 and him 32 when they met. Well we were shocked. Thats hurendous, the first reaction is what a sicko. She did say she lied about her age when they met. But still you couldnt deny how close, loving and great they where as a couple. It seemed like true love bettween them. They really loved each other and a had good marrige from what we could tell and what their friends said about them.

I think to my self how sick and wrong it is for a 32 year old adult to get with a 14 yo. Ironically the same sickness i felt when i found out the guy my ex wife left me for used to date her when she was 17 and him mids 30s. It's was so wrong yet they were genuinely a great couple. Is suppose there are grey areas but this sort of thing can never be condoned he should have ended it as soon as he knew her age. Having said that as adults they are a great couple so dispite the wrongness of their getting together, the couple that stands today is a great success.

I don't think I would call that passionate snogging. She kissed him 3 times briefly on his lips.

The passionate kissing is a very brief touching of lips by 2 teenagers in a brightly lit, crowded room.

The first allegations about Spacey concerned a 14 year old boy alone in Spacey's flat , when Spacey was 26, after all the other guests had left a party and involved Spacey lying on top of the boy.

I don't think the 2 compare.

So, in amongst all the known and alleged abuse commited by men over the years within the entertainment industry, one video has come to light which shows a woman kissing a 4 year younger co-star.

Stop the fucking press.
There's proof that women can commit abuse too.
Add that to the not all men bollocks.
Do me a favour ffs

Isn't the age of consent 18 in the US?

It's 16-18 depending on the stage but it also depends on the age gap.

State, not stage...

This is disgusting!

What a woman of 19 wanted with a boy who looks not much older than my ten year old ds, I don't know! If this was a girl in school uniform, looking as young as this boy, with a grown man kissing her, then people would be more likely to kick up a storm! I think the worst part, is how young the boy looks. It feels wrong to me and that boy looked uncomfortable!

My mil was 14 when she met fil who is ten years older. They claim that they never started a relationship until she was sixteen, but mil admitted running away from home and going away on holiday with fil. MIL acts like a giggling teenager still in her sixties, she is very naïve and fil is very much Lord and Master in control of her. Even now I can tell that fil used his 'maturity' to place himself as the superior, mature, more intelligent partner! He treats mil like a giggling idiot and was incredibly threatened by me for being intelligent, professional and mature!

Whilst Demi Moore never married this boy, it makes me wonder if she enjoys the power trip of being the experienced older woman. She certainly has a liking for much younger men! If I was that boys Mother I would feel physically sick and want her as far away from my son as possible.

He looks around 12 (relevant in terms of ickiness)

It is not relevant at all. If a 12 year old girl looks 15 it doesn't change her actual age. The same the other way around.

I'm with the poster who said that she was off her face (at age 19 - who was watching out for her I wonder and I wonder what happened to her sexually later that evening?) and it wasn't sex - it was kisses in public. Someone failed that 15 year old letting him be kissed like that in public and on camera but it wasn't abuse imo.

I think there are many people desperate for evidence that women are abusers just like men. They are not just like men at all. And I suppose it is terrifying for many to face the reality that this is a man issue - not a people issue. (just as the US seems incapable of facing the fact that the gun massacre issue is a man issue not a people issue)

My 15yo ds would have thought all his birthdays had come at once. He is currently puppy eyed over a girl in the year above him who is 18, has her own car, plays volleyball, and flirts with him daily... It's a bit weird if you think about it in terms of their ages, but because of an accident of circumstance they are only a year apart at school and in the same social group (both in drama club etc).
I definitely wouldn't think him abused if she actually snogged him. I'd tease him a bit, mind. And dh and I would snigger on the quiet about him picked up rich totty (which I know is despicable, but it's truly weird when your kids start dating...)

It was apparently his bar mitzvah so he is younger than 15. Is it tradition for the boy to be kissed? I've read that that's what it is and that explains the situation somewhat. Yes it's a bit weird but abuse? I don't know

I think what it shows is the lack of chaperoning of young people at what are essentially adult parties. I wouldnt have let my 15 year old DCs go to adult parties.

This is one of the things which I see in the Kevin Spacey case. Assuming the accusation is true Kevin Spacey is guilty but where were the parents/guardians in all of this? Is this a particular problem of media land where children are working alongside adults?

So far as I have heard there were no reported issues about the child actors on Harry Potter sets. Is this because the filming was done in the UK where there are stricter rules about chaperoning children?

He actually initiates the second kiss.

It’s not ‘French kissing ‘ there are no tongues, or it very much looks like ‘no tongues ‘.

I think this has been stirred up mischievously (at best) to atttempt to minimise the Spacey case.

This is in the USA which has "Romeo and Juliet" Laws in some states, so the age differential 15 / 19 is less than 5 years, so it quite likely wouldn't be an offence.

This isn't something I could get worked up over I'm afraid.

My first kiss was aged 15, with my 18 year old boyfriend. we stayed together for a couple of years. He was a virgin as was I, and I have no regrets on how that part of my life was then. Certainly don't feel like I was groomed.
Even 25 years later we're still friends; it was a different time.

He probably thought all his Christmases had come at once.
I don't think she should be vilified for this as being "sexualising" him - but she probably shouldn't have done it because she was married.

Either way, I don't feel it constitutes sexual abuse of a minor.