To think Innocent until proving guilty doesn't exist in this society anymore?

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Kevin Spacey's career is over.

There is no proof! If these things aren't true, where is the justice in that? I just don't get it. By all means go after him and seek justice if he has wronged you in a horrible way.

I know people will disagree, but I think it's wrong to be removing him from films etc yet.

So you are defending him when he hasn't even attempted to defend himself? Strange.

Why would he apologise if he didn’t do it?

Yes. If he is innocent, he may have been advised to say nothing.

When he did say something - which may have been the truth - he didn't remember - he was ripped to shreds. So why bother until trial?

This is probably not the case you're thinking of, but that's what happened in the Duke Lacrosse team where 3 members of the team were charged with raping a stripper/prostitute the team had hired to perform at a party in 2006.

False memory is not common and it is not in the DSM.

What is quite common is victims of sex offences suppressing memories.

What is more common is victims of sex offences not coming forward for fear of being disbelieved.

What is almost universal is sex offenders lying through their teeth about what they do.

Spacey has not denied Anthony Rapp's allegations.

Which you would expect an innocent person to do - strenuously.

Rather he used the occasion as an opportunity to tell the world something irrelevant about him that everyone has known for donkeys.

So you think that numerous people, including staff on his current TV show, are suffering from false memories? Or do you think they are making it up for fun? Or what?

Do you think companies have a duty of care to their employees, some of whom will be children, to remove someone under investigation for sexual assault from the cast, or do you think Kevin Spacey keeping his role in his latest movie is the priority?

You think all (or a decent majority) of victims are suffering from false memory?

Okay then.

False memory syndrom was made up by people abusing their children. It has been continually denied entry into the dsm &icd, discredited by every professional psychological and psychiatric assosiatiin in the western world. On the otherhand jennifer freyds work (she herself the child of some of the peadophiles involved in making up false memory syndrom) is wprld renowned, has actual science to back it up and recovered memlries have been used in court in the uk and us plenty.

And people are considered 'innocent until proven guilty' to answer your thread title. That's why Kevin Spacey is currently walking free and not in prison. That doesn't mean that victims can't report or employers can't make decisions to safeguard others.

I honestly think Kevin Spacey made sexual advances towards some or all of these people. Some reciprocal and some not.

I don't know if that happened.

Neither do any of you

My original point stands - he has not been found guilty of anything (yet) and has received a trial by media.

I am not discussing the false memory aspect. I am clearly not saying that everyone has that, that's ludicrous so I won't bother to answer.

Most people accused or rape and sexual abuse find their careers unharmed in the long run. If Kevin Spacey is not convicted, I suspect it will be the case for him as well.

I agree employers should safeguard.

Removing his image from a film that has already been shot and replacing it is not safeguarding? The movie was wrapped wasn't it?

false memory has been used for years to cover up abuse and discredit survivors - I thought most professionals thought it was mainly an outdated concept - sad if I'm wrong

Some reciprocal and some not.

Euphemism prize of the day goes to adventures.

removing him from the film is to protect the companies investment - and avoid boycotts of the film - I have no doubt he will still be paid

I thought most professionals thought it was mainly an outdated concept

adventures is a psychodynamic counsellor, not a MH professional.

good point!

Euphemism Prize? Sorry I don't understand?

To be clear I suspect some of these people may possibly have reciprocated his advances.

I honestly don't know what that means, not trying to be obtuse or passive aggressive.

I don't know if that happened.

Neither do any of you hmm

Neither does he from his response to the AR allegations. Not exactly a robust denial.

lets also ignore the damage done to the careers of those abused - who lost work, left their profession or where abused in the workplace by their peers and bosses

When he did say something - which may have been the truth - he didn't remember - he was ripped to shreds.
Yeah, he honestly couldn’t remember, but what he did know was that if it did happen then he definitely would have been drunk. Sounds convincing to me

On a totally unrelated note, OP, I ❤ your user name. Adventures in Babysitting (the original) was a seminal 80s teen movie.

If a sexual advance isn't reciprocal and carries on it is called... and if that person is under the age of consent it is...

*Is he threatening legal action for defamation?"

I think in the US public figures have a harder time with defamation.