AIBU to withdraw consent for hpv vaccine

[Ilovehamabeads]

Signed the forms ages ago for DD to have the HPV vaccine tomorrow. I didn't really read up on it, other than the NHS info leaflet she bought home with the consent form.
Tomorrow is the day she's due to have the first jab. I'm now regretting signing that form so readily, having read more about it. I know in my head that the stories I've read are just the very, very few that went wrong out of millions. But, at the same time I'm thinking what if..
Would it be totally ridiculous to change my mind at the last minute? I think I just need a few people to tell me I'm an idiot for believing the evidence of a few, over the evidence of many!

Wow. A lot imof dangerous misinformation. In this thread. No HOV will not wash off and yes it can hang around for many years.
I had one long term partner (my only partner) and hoc resulted in me having to have treatment for pre cancerous cells. The consultant explained the cells were slow growing and I could have had them fir up to ten years before they were picked up. He also explained the majority of the population has hpv in their system but immune systems react differently to it, so for some it is harmless and for others it develops into cancer. I have a general predisposition for cancer (I am under a genetic team for preventative measures) so in me it caused an issue.
I'm delighted my daughter will be able to have the hpv vaccine. Hpv really isn't about blame or shame, it's just one of those things and now, thankfully, it can be prevented,
Very sad that some think it means promiscuity, very u helpful attitude indeed.

@RockinHippy it’s absolutely your DDs choice whether to have the vaccine or not. But the “I know someone who....” or “well this happened to such and such” comments tend to grow arms and legs and become repeated as fact when actually there is no evidence to support it. That’s my issue, things being presented as absolute fact when there is no evidence of it, and discouraging vaccinations needlessly. Everyone can and should do their own research, but when anecdotal gossip becomes muddled with facts and evidence it causes problems.

"No HPV will not wash off and yes it can hang around for many years."

I think you misunderstood. Cancer-causing strains of HPV will of course hang around for many years when they infect a vulnerable area like the cervix. That is why precancerous cells start showing after some years, then years later they get worse, some more years later they turn into cancer-in-situ, etc.

The question was whether HPV strains that cause cancer in the cervix will stay (but not infect, because they can't) on parts of the body like vulva or fingers for years, despite being regularly washed.

I doubt it very much but would be happy to change my mind if you could link to a reputable source that supports you.

"I had one long term partner (my only partner) and hoc resulted in me having to have treatment for pre cancerous cells. The consultant explained the cells were slow growing and I could have had them fir up to ten years before they were picked up. He also explained the majority of the population has hpv in their system but immune systems react differently to it, so for some it is harmless and for others it develops into cancer."

All that is true. That is what happens when HPV is deposited onto the cervix during PIV sex, in people whose immune systems don't clear it (like you and me).

Again, the question was whether it would live on for years on the hand or the nose, for example. I don't think so. We wash, skin cells are regularly renewed, etc. Flu virus can't live on your hand for years so I don't see how HPV can.

CIN3 here twice .....

Don’t change your mind OP

I do understand that NotReally but this is a new vaccine & POTs is a rare condition & it really isn’t normal to have a sudden influx of same age girls/parents of joining support groups looking for help for POTs after this vaccine & all blame this vaccine. Might be different if there was a sudden influx of mixed ages & sex, but their isn’t

It's been around for over a decade and has been extensivley tested.
HPV vaccines are approved for use in over 100 countries, with more than 100 million doses distributed worldwide. Extensive clinical trial and post-marketing safety surveillance data indicate that both Gardasil and Cervarix are well tolerated and safe.

If people are telling you its untested they are lying to you.

I guess with any vaccine there is a slight risk. What you have to do is weigh up the risk against not having the vaccine.

My dd has had the HPT vaccine and I wish I'd had it as a teen. I've had to have treatment for CIN3. Was not particularly pleasant, but at least it saved me from dying of cervical cancer.

Cote my point was that it could be caught by non-sexual contact and then transferred to a partner during sexual activity (or indeed someone could presumably transfer it from their own hand to genitals/mouth etc.)

It probably does wash off the hands fairly easily, but I am always horrified by how many people don't bother to wash their hands after going to the loo, so I don't really have much faith in people's hand hygiene!

"my point was that it could be caught by non-sexual contact and then transferred to a partner during sexual activity"

I guess that's theoretically possible but would involve a scenario like someone touching the tip of their penis (not the shaft), then smearing it on a door handle, the next person touching the tip of their index finger to that, then immediately rushing off to penetrate the woman in his life with that finger, deep enough that it would get to the cervix.

Not impossible but also not probable. Sexual intercourse is how the vast majority of HPV infections are transmitted

It's weird. Everyone's looking for a cure for cancer, and here we are with a vaccine that significantly reduces the number of incidences of a nasty prevalent cancer and people are going 'oooh no'.

My son will have the vaccine. My two daughters had it with zero side effects.

Thanks for all the advice, you'll be pleased to know my DD is now jabbed

If the worst she complains of is a sore arm, I'll be happy with that.

Great news!

for your DD, OP.

And for you.

I've absolutely no idea the relevance of hpv and hand washing when preventing cervical cancer. Generuiry perplexed.
It's made me think about ore operative assessment at for MRSA. I accept that it's possible I unknowingly have mrsa virus lurking on me that isn't causing me any harm but potentially could, to me or others. So I follow meduc advice to minimise risk.
I do know that in makes (and females) it can be symptom less and I'm hugely grateful my daughters risk will be minimised by this uptake of this vaccine.
I think it's always possible to find a Lou r of contention no matter what and argue forevermore.

I do find it very strange that we’d all give anything for a cure for cancer yet when a prevention is made widely available people choose not to take it.
As a side note, it would be nice if they could find a way to make cancer treatment less horrific.

Oh my gig LeslieKnope you are so right, thank you for reminding me that people do not wash their hands after touching their bits! Ugh
Boys, bollocks, rearranging come to mind...

Sorry may be being a little naive here.
My friend has the HPV virus. Her and DP have only ever slept with each other.
Thought it was only transmitted through sex?

Notreallyarsed yes I agree. My father died from bowel related cancer. Twenty years earlier he'd had helicobacter pylori, a kind of virus that uncreses the risk of gastric cancers. Not his fault obviously, just one of those things.
Sadly, certain viruses can trigger a response in various parts of the body which cause mutations leading to cancer.
I do hope people associated the hpv vaccine with sex because it's about the cervix doesn't cause any harm.
At some point in her entire life my daughter will (probably) be sexually actively. I celebrate the fact that her cervix can be protected. Just wish it cas the same fir all other cancers.

@LadyMelbourne I’m sorry about your dad

I celebrate that our DDs can be protected too. I hope that cancer treatments can be made less brutal in future too, treatments and especially palliative care have a long way to go unfortunately.

Thank you Arsed ❤️

Ilovehamabeads

My DDs were one of the first to be vaccinated. Realistically, they are going to have to move around to get the any sort of career and support themselves financially so early marriage to someone they have known for years, like their grandparents did, is not going to happen (and indeed has not happened )

Ideally, rather than just trying to protect individual girls from getting the virus, you need to stop it from circulating in the population, so boys need vaccinating too. Because of they way we live our lives these days, it is so much easier to pick it up.

CoteDAzur

That's why I realise they aim the vaccine at preteens, to catch them before they're ever exposed, but in the case of older women who are unlikely to have caught it due to whatever circumstances I presume it would be a good idea to have?

Now that smears test for HPV, is there a reason we don't vaccinate at that point (if they're negative) or is that just a cost/logistics issue?

You can get a vaccination at Boots, but for some reason only up to age 45 .

Lello - I suspect cost as it still costs hundreds for the vaccine. Although I doubt all the screening process is cheap.