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The zephyrs of change. Trump continued

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PerkingFaintly · 08/11/2017 18:17

Republicans starting to feel the breeze as diverse Dems have a good election day.

Six lessons learned from US Democrat wins
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41920434

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TheClaws · 12/11/2017 00:55

But he did just call Kim Jong-Un short and fat ...

lionheart · 12/11/2017 01:00
Smile
OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 12/11/2017 05:16

Molly McKew
@MollyMcKew
"Russia has been heavily sanctioned... It's now time to get back to healing a world that is shattered and broken

That's right -- POTUS one-upped his "no meddling" moment by implying it's time to lift sanctions on Russia.
All those crouching Putin whispers...

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 12/11/2017 05:20

Daniel Dale
@ddale8
Since 1989, just six judicial nominees have been unanimously rated Not Qualified by the American Bar Association. Four have been Trump's.

t.co/Av5ZQxkzuD?amp=1

Balanced story explaining how Trump is rapidly reshaping the judiciary:

t.co/nC7UQUfOcm?amp=1

Adam Khan
@Khanoisseur
While Trump distracts with BS tweets: "A 36-year-old lawyer who has never tried a case and who was unanimously deemed “not qualified” by American Bar Association has been approved for lifetime federal district judgeship by the Senate Judiciary Committee."

So much for gatekeepers

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 12/11/2017 07:07

He’s now partially walking back the claims about not believing the intelligence communities, with the disclaimer that he believes the assessments coming out now under his administration. Except that Pompeo yesterday said that Russia did interfere. Also, is he saying that Russia did interefere but putin was unaware of this and so is being truthful when he says they didn’t? Can’t keep up with the “logic” that still defends putin.

Ali Vitali
@alivitali
JUST NOW: Trump clarifies statements on Putin - "I believe he believes that" he didn't meddle in 2016 elex but "as to whether I believe it or not, I'm with our agencies, especially as currently constituted with their leadership."

Notable words here though when Trump says he’s with intel agencies “as currently constituted” on Russian meddling.

Remember: Trump lashed out yesterday against Brennan, Clapper & Comey as “political hacks.”

Maggie Haberman
@maggieNYT
conflating personalities with institutions. Conclusions in the IC are said to be consistent from last year to now

[similarly to how he said very fine people, then was probably cajoled into making a more appropriate statement (but then went back to his original position), this is producing headlines that can assuage anyone who might feel uncomfortable at the thought of putin being believed over Americans

For example

Reuters Top News
Reuters Top News
@Reuters
Trump sides with U.S. intelligence agencies on Russian meddling ]

Also, as an aside

Sarah Kendzior
@sarahkendzior
In December 2016, I surmised that Trump and Putin would not act as nuclear rivals, but as partners, working in tandem to target a shared enemy: twitter.com/sarahkendzior/status/929543134060609536/photo/1

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 12/11/2017 07:10

ABC News
@ABC
Russian Pres. Vladimir Putin said the fact that he and Pres. Trump didn't have a full sit-down meeting at a summit in Vietnam as planned shows that the two countries’ relationship is still in a "state of crisis”. abcn.ws/2AwKzGh

Russian President Vladimir Putin said Saturday that his country is ready to turn the page and "look to the future" in its dealings with the United States.

The Russian leader said the fact that he and President Donald Trump didn't have a full sit-down meeting at a summit in Vietnam as planned shows that the two countries’ relationship is still in a "state of crisis”.

But, Putin said at a news conference in Vietnam, Russia is eager to put an end to the prolonged troubled period between the two countries.

“We are ready to turn over this page and go further, look to the future, solve problems, which are in the interests of the US people and Russian people.”

Trump and Putin had been expected to have a full meeting at the Asia-Pacific Economic Conference (APEC) summit in Danang, Vietnam, on Friday, but in the end the two only met for a few minutes after the White House announced no formal meeting was planned.

Both sides had suggested a full meeting had been likely to happen. Its not happening was seen as a bad sign for relations between Moscow and Washington after months of diplomatic tit-for-tat and continuing confrontation over Russia's alleged interference in the U.S. 2016 election.

The no-go on the meeting had seemed a surprise to the Kremlin, which had said it was ready for a full meeting and that the hesitation was on the side of the U.S.

On Saturday, Putin blamed protocol and scheduling issues for the meeting not happening.

“It was connected to the work schedule of Mr. Trump, and with my schedule, and with certain formalities of protocol, which our teams were, unfortunately, unable to resolve,” Putin told reporters. “There will be people punished for that,” he added.

A report in the Russian business newspaper, Kommersant, by its veteran pool correspondent alleged arrangements had foundered on the two sides’ inability to agree on a time and place for the meeting. An anonymous member of the Russian delegation told the newspaper that the American side had insisted that Putin come to Trump’s residence for the meeting and wouldn't compromise on time.

“That, of course, was impudence,” the source told Kommersant, arguing that Putin had already come to Trump at the G20 summit in Germany when the presidents met for the first time in July.

The White House has said no formal meeting had been fully agreed to at the summit in Vietnam.

On Saturday, Putin downplayed the missed meeting, saying “nothing awful happened” and that he and Trump were in any case more or less able to “discuss everything that we wanted to.”

Putin and Trump encountered one another repeatedly during the summit, at a reception and during photo opportunities, before having a brief discussion on the event’s sidelines.

Their discussion lasted no more than a few minutes, according to the White House. Readouts released by both sides said the two presidents mostly discussed the Syrian conflict. After the meeting, the White House and Kremlin released a joint statement praising increased cooperation between the two countries on the Syria conflict and committing to a political solution through Geneva-based peace talks.

Putin at the news conference praised Trump's ability to communicate. He also defended Trump in the face of the ongoing investigation of Russia's alleged meddling in the 2016 election and possible collusion by Trump associates.

“There is nothing to investigate here. I believe that everything connected with the so-called 'Russian dossier' in the U.S. today is a manifestation of the continuing internal politics battles.”

“There is nothing here,” Putin told reporters. “It’s just empty chatter and the desire to use any link to fight with the current president.”

Putin also dismissed allegations in court documents unsealed by the special counsel’s investigation that another Trump campaign advisor, George Papadopoulos, met with a woman presenting herself as “Putin’s niece” and offering to provide “dirt” on Trump’s Democratic rival, Hillary Clinton.

"In my opinion, it’s all some kind of nonsense,” Putin said, saying he knew of no contacts between his relatives and Trump’s campaign.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 12/11/2017 07:15

This is the first video from fox that I could watch more than a minute of. It really is something to see

Nate Lerner
@NathanLerner
All 3 of the conservative pundits on Sean Hannity's show last night said without hesitation they believed Roy Moore was guilty.

Hannity desperately tried to convince them but failed.
#NoMoore #FireHannity via @alexnazaryan

EVEN FOX NEWS IS DITCHING ROY MOORE

www.newsweek.com/sean-hannity-interview-roy-moore-fox-news-708817?amp=1

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 12/11/2017 07:33

William LeGate
William LeGate
@williamlegate
Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow…

A daycare center employee raped a 12-year old child in Alabama

Every single judge on the AL Supreme Court found him guilty… but ONE—Roy Moore

Reason?

“No evidence in this case of an implied threat of serious physical injury.”

thinkprogress.org/this-is-what-roy-moore-has-said-about-child-abuse-and-sexual-assault-c844cf8ff480/

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 12/11/2017 07:39

The Wall Street Journal
The Wall Street Journal
@WSJ
“We request the return of the prime minister to Lebanon.”

www.wsj.com/amp/articles/lebanons-president-seeks-explanation-for-prime-ministers-stay-in-saudi-arabia-1510423679

The Wall Street Journal
The Wall Street Journal
@WSJ
Official calls attack on Bahrain oil pipe line to Saudi Arabia ‘a dangerous Iranian escalation aimed at terrorizing citizens and damaging the world’s oil industry’

www.wsj.com/amp/articles/bahrain-says-militants-guided-by-iran-hit-oil-pipeline-opening-new-front-in-insurgency-1510429300

Exclusive: How Saudi Arabia turned on Lebanon's Hariri

mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1DB0QL

CNN Politics
@CNNPolitics
US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson says the arrests in Saudi Arabia were "well-intended": cnn.it/2hkxqbR

Roussette · 12/11/2017 07:59

Pain your long post of 07.10 has me Shock. It all sounds so childish, he said, they said, he said. And the bit about Putin 'punishing' those who didn't get the meeting sorted. That's another unexplained death then...

I thought the fat and old tweet from Trump was honestly a joke. I refuse to follow him on Twitter and just follow someone who retweets all his tweets. I thought they'd written it out as a joke! A world leader having a paddy about being called old so basically calls that person short and fat. How diplomatic

Roussette · 12/11/2017 08:01

As one reply to Trump's fat and old tweet said...
'
It was either let him do this tweet or nuke Pyongyang. I for one and am grateful for their service'

So true

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 12/11/2017 08:11

roussette It did cross my mind that trump had said “people would die because of it” due to the democrats insistence on focusing on Russian interference. I don’t think he meant who putin referenced but it’s more likely that they’re at greater risk than whoever trump was alluding to
(although in fairness, I’m not clear who he meant but putins record suggests whoever he punishes will face severe consequences )

Roussette · 12/11/2017 08:14

This tweet is from Walter Shaub who resigned as Head of Ethics.

More
When you're not even trying to hide the misuse of position:

The zephyrs of change. Trump continued
Roussette · 12/11/2017 08:15

Pain it's like untangling a plate of spaghetti Grin

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 12/11/2017 08:22

I’ll take a spaghetti with a side of word salad and a hot covfefe to go

I love shaub! He’s taking actual concrete action

Kyle Griffin
@kylegriffin1
Ex-Office of Gov't Ethics head Walter Shaub has released a series of policy proposals on strengthening executive branch ethics, hoping to insulate the OGE from political retaliation, strengthen transparency, and increase oversight.

www.campaignlegalcenter.org/news/press-releases/walter-shaub-s-13-ways-improve-government-ethics

badbadhusky · 12/11/2017 08:30

There are two thinds in tandem which interest me:

This from the ABC tread posted just above:
A report in the Russian business newspaper, Kommersant, by its veteran pool correspondent alleged arrangements had foundered on the two sides’ inability to agree on a time and place for the meeting. An anonymous member of the Russian delegation told the newspaper that the American side had insisted that Putin come to Trump’s residence for the meeting and wouldn't compromise on time.

“That, of course, was impudence,” the source told Kommersant, arguing that Putin had already come to Trump at the G20 summit in Germany when the presidents met for the first time in July.

And that Trump tweet about his great chemistry with Putin.

He is utterly tone deaf when it comes to his interpersonal dealings. It could not be clearer that Putin refuses to dance to Donny’s tune and is pissed off about being expected to. The meeting in Vietnam was an epic diplomatic fail on so many fronts, both in aiming to hold one (optics back home amidst Russian collusion investigation!) and in fucking it up by being vain and inflexible. And yet Donny tweets about their great chemistry! He is delusional. If this was a dating thread, people would be cautioning Donny that Putin is just that into him - and any interest is about him getting something from you that shouldn’t be offering in the first place. It’s bloody embarrassing all round.

badbadhusky · 12/11/2017 08:34

NOT that into him...

So many typos Sad

OhYouBadBadKitten · 12/11/2017 08:44

Once again, I don’t even know what to say. I’ve no idea if he wants to be best buddies with Kim, a man who is a brutal dictator responsibility for hundreds of thousands of missing and tortured dead in camps or whether he wants to blow him up.

lionheart · 12/11/2017 10:09

I am really alarmed by those judiciary appointments.

Roussette · 12/11/2017 11:42

Agree lion here is an article on it. V worrying

www.nytimes.com/2017/11/11/us/politics/trump-judiciary-appeals-courts-conservatives.html

annandale · 12/11/2017 13:59

I am finding the US law on rape very hard to understand from those Moore decisions.

These Twitter spats with KJU - strongly remind me of the moment in the campaign when the Republican candidates were genuinely competing with each other on penis size.

In fact, that for me was the moment the US passed through the looking glass, and nothing since then has convinced me the country has stepped back through it again.

AcrossthePond55 · 12/11/2017 14:05

I've been thinking about those judicial appointments and have put on my Pollyanna tin foil hat and am choosing to believe that perhaps 'those in the know' believe that the Scrotus House of Cards is going to fall in such a way as to invalidate any appointments (judicial or otherwise) that he's made.

The more realistic me feels that perhaps (rightly or wrongly) 'those in the know' truly believe they have bigger fish to fry.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 12/11/2017 14:22

I often wonder what will happen to Gorsuch, should everyone face the ramifications of their treachery, but I suspect that it would be too destabilising to remove him. I live in hope though.

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