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The zephyrs of change. Trump continued

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PerkingFaintly · 08/11/2017 18:17

Republicans starting to feel the breeze as diverse Dems have a good election day.

Six lessons learned from US Democrat wins
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41920434

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cozietoesie · 11/11/2017 17:45

You clearly don’t understand The Art Of International Diplomacy, Across. You have to ask them a question twice and if they reply the same way to both, they must be being truthful. Grin

Roussette · 11/11/2017 18:09

That is so so powerful from Dan Rather. I wonder in decades to come how history will judge this awful time.

cozietoesie · 11/11/2017 18:15

I suspect that it will depend who ‘wins’. Stay alert and persist. Smile

lionheart · 11/11/2017 18:21

Sally says: Smile

Sally Yates‏Verified account

POTUS embraces Putin yet again telling world he believes former KGB agent’s denial of attack on our election over our own Intel public servants, calling them “political hacks.” Disturbing and shamelessly unpatriotic, on Veterans Day no less.

OuaisMaisBon · 11/11/2017 18:23

On a lighter note (pardon the pun) I've just seen this from Operatico Politico: . As usual, my apologies if this has already been posted and I've missed it.

cozietoesie · 11/11/2017 18:35

lion

Remember what Eric Holder tweeted at the end of June.

“To the career men & women at DOJ/FBI: your actions and integrity will be unfairly questioned. Be prepared, be strong. Duty. Honor. Country.”

woman11017 · 11/11/2017 18:38

@Independent
John Bercow just banned Trump from speaking in parliament

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 11/11/2017 18:47

Andrea Mitchell
@mitchellreports
Wow! @CIA Director Mike Pompeo releases statement endorsing intel conclusion Russia meddled direct challenge to @realDonaldTrump comments accepting #Putin denial and calling ex CIS officials political hacks

t.co/18gqdOezL0?amp=1

OhYouBadBadKitten · 11/11/2017 18:48

again Woman?

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 11/11/2017 18:49

That’s brilliant woman. He got some flack for saying the state visit should be rescinded didn’t he? Glad to see it didn’t have any impact.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 11/11/2017 18:53

Carole cadwalladr has written up this morning’s thread into an article

Boris Johnson met ‘London professor’ linked to FBI’s Russia investigation

Fresh questions as photograph emerges of Joseph Mifsud and foreign secretary at Brexit dinner

amp.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/11/boris-johnson-met-london-professor-linked-to-fbis-russia-investigation

woman11017 · 11/11/2017 18:56

I think he's thought about it long and hard and decided it's maybe not such a good idea.

Donald Trump still has not earned the right to address the Houses of Parliament, Commons Speaker John Bercow has said.

The Speaker controversially vetoed the idea of the US president speaking in Parliament's Westminster Hall, an honour which was given to his predecessor Barack Obama, shortly after Theresa May invited Mr Trump to visit the UK.

A year on from Mr Trump's election victory Mr Bercow said his view remained that Mr Trump did not deserve the honour of speaking to MPs and peers in the historic hall

Could've had some corking Women's marches .

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 11/11/2017 18:56

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/nov/09/john-bercow-speaker-donald-trump-parliament

Donald Trump still has not earned the right to address the Houses of Parliament, the Speaker has said.

John Bercow controversially vetoed the idea of the US president speaking in parliament’s Westminster Hall, an honour which was given to his predecessor Barack Obama, shortly after Theresa May invited Trump to visit the UK.

A year on from Trump’s election victory, Bercow said his view remained that the US president did not deserve the honour of speaking to MPs and peers in the historic hall. In February, Bercow said he “strongly opposed” the idea of a presidential address in parliament and the Speaker said he still held that view when asked about his stance at an event on Thursday night organised by Queen Mary University London’s Mile End Institute.

“An address to both Houses of Parliament is not an automatic right; it is an earned honour,” he said. “My view is that he has not earned that honour.”

The Speaker said he was “not repentant” about the row resulting from his veto. “Yes, I was speaking my own view. I had a sense that I was speaking for a majority of the House. I was unscripted.”

He acknowledged that “some people think that I spoke more forcefully than I should have done”, but he said he had been reacting to suggestions which “seemed to be emanating from government” that Trump should follow in Obama’s footsteps and speak in Westminster Hall.

“An invitation to address both Houses of Parliament is not a bauble to be handed out by the prime minister of the day. It is not a government prerogative; that is a matter for the speakers of the two Houses,” Bercow said.

His decision was based partly on the “huge controversy” attached to Trump, particularly over his migrant ban policy, and the “extraordinary” speed with which the idea of a speech had been floated.

Obama won the 2008 election but did not make his Westminster Hall speech until May 2011. “The idea that the prize should be offered to President Trump within weeks of his election struck me as absolutely extraordinary,” Bercow said.

Defending his intervention, Bercow said he had been given a say in who should be invited to speak. “You can’t be impartial between wanting to invite someone and not wanting to invite someone.”

There were people who were “very angry” about his stance, he admitted, but “I genuinely felt I was speaking for a majority of my colleagues”.

No date has yet been confirmed for Trump’s state visit to Britain, which is said to have been delayed to avoid protests.

cozietoesie · 11/11/2017 19:19

For those of you who might have forgotten it.

(It’s fairly lengthy.)

PerkingFaintly · 11/11/2017 19:25

Pahaha! Alternative Rhapsody is brilliant. Fine soprano, too!

"Help us, Obi Robert Mueller, you're our only hope."

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cozietoesie · 11/11/2017 19:33

It was superb. Smile

annandale · 11/11/2017 19:36

That seems like it comes from a different era, cozie Sad

cozietoesie · 11/11/2017 19:37

Well it does. Sad

lionheart · 11/11/2017 19:38

He must be deluded if he thinks anyone will believe this,

thehill.com/homenews/administration/359897-trump-i-dont-watch-much-television-primarily-because-of-documents

cozietoesie · 11/11/2017 19:40

I have to confess. I only watched his first 20 minutes or so. I couldn’t stand the thought of 45 trying - and failing - to stay on topic for even that long.

OuaisMaisBon · 11/11/2017 20:02

lionheart He's bloody bonkers.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 11/11/2017 20:08

Alexander Marquardt
@MarquardtA
Fmr Dep. DA Theresa Jones, who worked alongside Roy Moore, tells CNN: “It was common knowledge that Roy dated high school girls, everyone we knew thought it was weird...We wondered why someone his age would hang out at high school football games and the mall..."

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